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And I dislike the trope of working being orthogonal to quality of life. Sitting in front of the computer working on my own thing is the ultimate enjoyment. That

by Kiro 4y ago

And I dislike the trope of working being orthogonal to quality of life. Sitting in front of the computer working on my own thing is the ultimate enjoyment. That's what's giving me a quality life.

corobo 4y ago
Yeah there's work (activity) and there's work (job) I love working (activity) -- coding is a hobby I long ago made the mistake of monetising haha. My stuff? I'll spend a weekend chasing a dead end without a second thought. General sort of cog in the machine day to day work? You're paying me to be a bit bored a lot of the time. Not a complaint or anything, just the routine stuff that can't be automated yet. Fun comes from learning new things, money comes from being paid for what you already learned. Of course this is just me, if everyone was like me the world would suck. Absolutely no judgement if you get your fun outside of an IDE! E: bit of context I'm currently single and have no dependents, I would imagine (hope) my priorities would change if that changed
- kfajdsl 4y ago
  Yep, this so much. Working for somebody else, where I have little stake in the company? I won't just put in the bare minimum to not get fired, but I also won't work absurd hours, especially on a salary. My own stuff? I'm ready for the 40 (job) + 60 (my own projects) work week! For reference, I'm very young and no where close to having a family.
  - ZephyrBlu 4y ago
    > My own stuff? I'm ready for the 40 (job) + 60 (my own projects) work week! Since you said you're very young I assume you're still at school/university and haven't had a tech job yet. This doesn't work. Time is not the biggest factor, energy and focus are. You can only put in 40hrs and be extremely drained. It's very unlikely you're going to be able to perform well at work and then be productive for another 60hrs on personal projects, especially not at your first job when you're learning a very large amount of new stuff. Even just 60hrs of personal projects is probably way too much time relative to energy and focus (Your energy and focus will likely be drained before the 60hr mark).
jimnotgym 4y ago
I think this is where the Elon Musk is so detached from reality. Because he can do exactly what he wants all day, and he loves what he is doing what he does all day is not work. Certainly in the sense that say, assembling parts of a weird electric car for 12 hours a day whilst being trapped in the factory for 24 hours is work. I see it in smaller business. I once got a phone call from my then boss, a sort of VC, who was clearly drunk, who could not make my meeting because he was doing BD. They worked collosal hours on this, in the corporate entertainment suites of the local sporting venues, in the city bars etc. Even lunch was a work activity for them.
bowsamic 4y ago
A lot of people are not wired this way, we can't expect it from all.
the_common_man 4y ago
I think the word work has a specific meaning. It's work is a phrase. Nobody is saying you should not enjoy your work but work is associated with drudgery and tedium in the common usage

by Kiro 4y ago

And I dislike the trope of working being orthogonal to quality of life. Sitting in front of the computer working on my own thing is the ultimate enjoyment. That's what's giving me a quality life.

corobo 4y ago

Yeah there's work (activity) and there's work (job) I love working (activity) -- coding is a hobby I long ago made the mistake of monetising haha. My stuff? I'll spend a weekend chasing a dead end without a second thought. General sort of cog in the machine day to day work? You're paying me to be a bit bored a lot of the time. Not a complaint or anything, just the routine stuff that can't be automated yet. Fun comes from learning new things, money comes from being paid for what you already learned. Of course this is just me, if everyone was like me the world would suck. Absolutely no judgement if you get your fun outside of an IDE! E: bit of context I'm currently single and have no dependents, I would imagine (hope) my priorities would change if that changed

kfajdsl 4y ago
Yep, this so much. Working for somebody else, where I have little stake in the company? I won't just put in the bare minimum to not get fired, but I also won't work absurd hours, especially on a salary. My own stuff? I'm ready for the 40 (job) + 60 (my own projects) work week! For reference, I'm very young and no where close to having a family.
- ZephyrBlu 4y ago
  > My own stuff? I'm ready for the 40 (job) + 60 (my own projects) work week! Since you said you're very young I assume you're still at school/university and haven't had a tech job yet. This doesn't work. Time is not the biggest factor, energy and focus are. You can only put in 40hrs and be extremely drained. It's very unlikely you're going to be able to perform well at work and then be productive for another 60hrs on personal projects, especially not at your first job when you're learning a very large amount of new stuff. Even just 60hrs of personal projects is probably way too much time relative to energy and focus (Your energy and focus will likely be drained before the 60hr mark).

jimnotgym 4y ago

I think this is where the Elon Musk is so detached from reality. Because he can do exactly what he wants all day, and he loves what he is doing what he does all day is not work. Certainly in the sense that say, assembling parts of a weird electric car for 12 hours a day whilst being trapped in the factory for 24 hours is work. I see it in smaller business. I once got a phone call from my then boss, a sort of VC, who was clearly drunk, who could not make my meeting because he was doing BD. They worked collosal hours on this, in the corporate entertainment suites of the local sporting venues, in the city bars etc. Even lunch was a work activity for them.

bowsamic 4y ago

A lot of people are not wired this way, we can't expect it from all.

the_common_man 4y ago

I think the word work has a specific meaning. It's work is a phrase. Nobody is saying you should not enjoy your work but work is associated with drudgery and tedium in the common usage