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Thanks for that link. The documents listed under June 9 and 10 present the positions of the two sides clearly and in detail. I have no idea how the case will b

Thanks for that link. The documents listed under June 9 and 10 present the positions of the two sides clearly and in detail. I have no idea how the case will be resolved, though my personal sympathies are with the Internet Archive.

mgdlbp 4y ago
That handwriting took quite some effort to decipher, > The defendant may proceed with The Summary Judgement on the schedule set by [M.D.?] Wang and with the word count requested, although The Court [senoudy*] questions whether the requested word count is necessary. / So ordered / John G Koeltl [US D.J?] / 6/10/22 > The plaintiffs may proceed with a motion for summary judgement on the same schedule and with the same word count that The Court has afforded the defendant, and with the same [accusation?] that The Court doubts the need for such lengthy [jargon? japers?]. / so ordered / John G Koeltl / [U SD. 5??] / 6/10/22 Why was the first "plaintiffs" in the typed text underlined? Because it isn't uppercase (“the Plaintiffs”)? *I just couldn't figure out what "senoudy" was supposed to be until I looked it up and got results for documents where the word "seriously" had been mutated by OCR in the same way that I'd misread it here.
xhkkffbf 4y ago
My sympathies are split. I think the kind of infringement that the archive does by keeping timestamped copies is a great service. But the kind of infringement that competes with bookstores and publishers is a terrible insult to the writers and editors who work long and hard on a project. During the pandemic, bookstores like Powells were still in service and looking to support employees. There was no reason to hurt them under some argument that books were somehow unaccessable.
- dr_dshiv 4y ago
  > a terrible insult to the writers and editors Would love to hear from them.
  - xhkkffbf 4y ago
    I'm a writer. I was pretty insulted by their view that they could just give away books. The book stores were open. The digital delivery systems like Kindle were open.
    - dr_dshiv 4y ago
      What do you write? Do you have any books in other libraries? I’m curious about the “insult”
      - xhkkffbf 4y ago
        I have other problems with libraries, mainly because of the overhead, but I rarely spend much time arguing about them. They're a compromise that evolved over time and I think that, overall, they're great for society. But what the IA was doing was different. They were acquiring one copy of a book and lending it infinitely often. In this model, all books only sell one copy. This is bad for society because we lose the feedback loop that rewards great authors and publishers. It's also just a sophistry. At least the folks at Pirate Bay are honest about what they're doing. It was a horrible scheme to destroy the business model of writers and publishers.
        dr_dshiv 4y ago
        What do you write? I think arrangements could be made to ensure that writers get financial support. I think there are plenty of people that don’t flinch to purchase books— maximizing diversity and intensity of consumption doesn’t necessarily follow a fully market driven model. A dominant market model can be enhanced through access-oriented provisions for those who don’t afford.

mgdlbp 4y ago

That handwriting took quite some effort to decipher, > The defendant may proceed with The Summary Judgement on the schedule set by [M.D.?] Wang and with the word count requested, although The Court [senoudy*] questions whether the requested word count is necessary. / So ordered / John G Koeltl [US D.J?] / 6/10/22 > The plaintiffs may proceed with a motion for summary judgement on the same schedule and with the same word count that The Court has afforded the defendant, and with the same [accusation?] that The Court doubts the need for such lengthy [jargon? japers?]. / so ordered / John G Koeltl / [U SD. 5??] / 6/10/22 Why was the first "plaintiffs" in the typed text underlined? Because it isn't uppercase (“the Plaintiffs”)? *I just couldn't figure out what "senoudy" was supposed to be until I looked it up and got results for documents where the word "seriously" had been mutated by OCR in the same way that I'd misread it here.

xhkkffbf 4y ago

My sympathies are split. I think the kind of infringement that the archive does by keeping timestamped copies is a great service. But the kind of infringement that competes with bookstores and publishers is a terrible insult to the writers and editors who work long and hard on a project. During the pandemic, bookstores like Powells were still in service and looking to support employees. There was no reason to hurt them under some argument that books were somehow unaccessable.

dr_dshiv 4y ago
> a terrible insult to the writers and editors Would love to hear from them.
- xhkkffbf 4y ago
  I'm a writer. I was pretty insulted by their view that they could just give away books. The book stores were open. The digital delivery systems like Kindle were open.
  - dr_dshiv 4y ago
    What do you write? Do you have any books in other libraries? I’m curious about the “insult”
    - xhkkffbf 4y ago
      I have other problems with libraries, mainly because of the overhead, but I rarely spend much time arguing about them. They're a compromise that evolved over time and I think that, overall, they're great for society. But what the IA was doing was different. They were acquiring one copy of a book and lending it infinitely often. In this model, all books only sell one copy. This is bad for society because we lose the feedback loop that rewards great authors and publishers. It's also just a sophistry. At least the folks at Pirate Bay are honest about what they're doing. It was a horrible scheme to destroy the business model of writers and publishers.
      - dr_dshiv 4y ago
        What do you write? I think arrangements could be made to ensure that writers get financial support. I think there are plenty of people that don’t flinch to purchase books— maximizing diversity and intensity of consumption doesn’t necessarily follow a fully market driven model. A dominant market model can be enhanced through access-oriented provisions for those who don’t afford.