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I'm almost certain that this is the work of China. If that is true, China is sending intelligence operatives aboard innocent looking cargo ships and fishing boa

I'm almost certain that this is the work of China. If that is true, China is sending intelligence operatives aboard innocent looking cargo ships and fishing boats, across the Pacific Ocean all the way to the West Coast. They deploy drone swarms to observe Navy ships, evaluate crew responses, and collect electronic intelligence about the ships' sensors.

shadowgovt 4y ago
Honestly, it may not even be that elaborate. China intelligence could just be putting bounties out for information on American Navy worship operations and leaving it up to the cargo captains to buy their own drones and get creative about using them. And from China's point of view, this is almost certainly tit for tat. As far as they're concerned, the US has allowed one of its private corporations to deploy a space surveillance network. Using drones to observe individual Navy vessels is small potatoes relative to what China assumes the American intelligence edifice can gather from Starlink.
- boardwaalk 4y ago
  I wonder if we'll learn someday the NSO or some other TLA has actually bought some mass/volume/electric load/network access on each Starlink. It's such an obvious thing to do and it'd be so easy to hide. And then you have the v2 Starlink coming which are much more massive (nearly 4x) than v1.
donthellbanme 4y ago
dylan604 4y ago
Maybe you're too young to know about how the Russians used fishing trawlers as spy platforms: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=russian+fishing+trawler+spying+on+navy&t=h_&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=russian+fishing+trawler+spying+on+...
- hackernewds 4y ago
  Or too old to know about Russian dolphins: https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+dolphins https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+dolphins
boomboomsubban 4y ago
While the US just maintains several fleets of ships just outside of Chinese waters. Oh, they probably does all the things you listed too.

shadowgovt 4y ago

Honestly, it may not even be that elaborate. China intelligence could just be putting bounties out for information on American Navy worship operations and leaving it up to the cargo captains to buy their own drones and get creative about using them. And from China's point of view, this is almost certainly tit for tat. As far as they're concerned, the US has allowed one of its private corporations to deploy a space surveillance network. Using drones to observe individual Navy vessels is small potatoes relative to what China assumes the American intelligence edifice can gather from Starlink.

boardwaalk 4y ago
I wonder if we'll learn someday the NSO or some other TLA has actually bought some mass/volume/electric load/network access on each Starlink. It's such an obvious thing to do and it'd be so easy to hide. And then you have the v2 Starlink coming which are much more massive (nearly 4x) than v1.

donthellbanme 4y ago

dylan604 4y ago

Maybe you're too young to know about how the Russians used fishing trawlers as spy platforms: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=russian+fishing+trawler+spying+on+navy&t=h_&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=russian+fishing+trawler+spying+on+...

hackernewds 4y ago
Or too old to know about Russian dolphins: https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+dolphins https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+dolphins

boomboomsubban 4y ago

While the US just maintains several fleets of ships just outside of Chinese waters. Oh, they probably does all the things you listed too.