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The author has been pushing this conjecture for a year over the past year or so, and has been repeatedly called out on the Hardware reddit. I would recommend n

by dagmx 4y ago

The author has been pushing this conjecture for a year over the past year or so, and has been repeatedly called out on the Hardware reddit. I would recommend not taking their business conjecture without a giant pinch of salt. Just today they were claiming Apple has lost hundreds of engineers in the chip division. The idea that a single division somehow lost hundreds without the industry noticing is ridiculous.

wmf 4y ago
Why do you think the industry hasn't noticed? If it's not hundreds, how many Apple employees have moved to Nuvia and Rivos?
- dagmx 4y ago
  In multiples of tens, I would believe it. Upto a hundred over a couple years? That's a stretch but possible if you count a very wide range of roles. Multiple hundreds as they imply on Reddit? That would be catastrophic to any company, even one as large as Apple. You would certainly see it reflected in their job postings after even a few, let alone hundred+
- dylan522p 4y ago
  It has noticed. Look at Apple architects, validation, layout, etc engineers moving to Nuvia + Rivos + Google + Amazon + Microsoft + Meta + Intel + Nvidia + AMD + Apple + Qualcomm. It's there.
Josteniok 4y ago
I wondered about this too and I like your advice about salt but apparently Apple is suing Rivos about this very thing: https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/apple-lawsuit-says-stealth-startup-rivos-poached-engineers-steal-secrets-2022-05-02/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/apple-lawsuit-says-...
- drawingthesun 4y ago
  The article says 40 employees not hundreds, but I imagine that 40 of Apple's top chip talent is going to hurt, that is a lot of brain power to lose! Seems some employees took more than themselves to Rivos. "at least two former Apple engineers took gigabytes of confidential information with them to Rivos."
  - KerrAvon 4y ago
    I wonder if tha’ts subject to criminal prosecution or merely civil remedies.
  - walterbell 4y ago
    Remember Apple cancelling their contract with Imagination (GPU) and hiring their employees to work on Apple's GPU?
    - willis936 4y ago
      Hurts donut.
- dagmx 4y ago
  I never said or implied that they didn't take many, just not hundreds. In the tens? I believe that. Up to a hundred? That's a tall order. Multiple hundreds? That's catastrophic to any org, including one as large as Apple
skohan 4y ago
I agree, reading this it just seems like this author has found a market for people who want read news about how AAPL is going to drop tomorrow
- greedo 4y ago
  I remember reading ESR's blog a decade (or more) ago where every single technical advancement was going to lead to Apple's doom. Every new competitor that popped up was going to lead to Apple's doom. Every legislative initiative was going to lead to Apple's doom. After awhile, I stopped reading his blog because despite a lot of good insight in some areas, his cheerleading for Apple's Doom had clearly created too much bias in his judgement for me to take anything he said seriously. Apple will eventually be overtaken by another company at some point, but there's a world of journalists and pundits who continue to cry wolf every day.

by dagmx 4y ago

wmf 4y ago

Why do you think the industry hasn't noticed? If it's not hundreds, how many Apple employees have moved to Nuvia and Rivos?

dagmx 4y ago
In multiples of tens, I would believe it. Upto a hundred over a couple years? That's a stretch but possible if you count a very wide range of roles. Multiple hundreds as they imply on Reddit? That would be catastrophic to any company, even one as large as Apple. You would certainly see it reflected in their job postings after even a few, let alone hundred+
dylan522p 4y ago
It has noticed. Look at Apple architects, validation, layout, etc engineers moving to Nuvia + Rivos + Google + Amazon + Microsoft + Meta + Intel + Nvidia + AMD + Apple + Qualcomm. It's there.

Josteniok 4y ago

I wondered about this too and I like your advice about salt but apparently Apple is suing Rivos about this very thing: https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/apple-lawsuit-says-stealth-startup-rivos-poached-engineers-steal-secrets-2022-05-02/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/apple-lawsuit-says-...

drawingthesun 4y ago
The article says 40 employees not hundreds, but I imagine that 40 of Apple's top chip talent is going to hurt, that is a lot of brain power to lose! Seems some employees took more than themselves to Rivos. "at least two former Apple engineers took gigabytes of confidential information with them to Rivos."
- KerrAvon 4y ago
  I wonder if tha’ts subject to criminal prosecution or merely civil remedies.
- walterbell 4y ago
  Remember Apple cancelling their contract with Imagination (GPU) and hiring their employees to work on Apple's GPU?
  - willis936 4y ago
    Hurts donut.
dagmx 4y ago
I never said or implied that they didn't take many, just not hundreds. In the tens? I believe that. Up to a hundred? That's a tall order. Multiple hundreds? That's catastrophic to any org, including one as large as Apple

skohan 4y ago

I agree, reading this it just seems like this author has found a market for people who want read news about how AAPL is going to drop tomorrow

greedo 4y ago
I remember reading ESR's blog a decade (or more) ago where every single technical advancement was going to lead to Apple's doom. Every new competitor that popped up was going to lead to Apple's doom. Every legislative initiative was going to lead to Apple's doom. After awhile, I stopped reading his blog because despite a lot of good insight in some areas, his cheerleading for Apple's Doom had clearly created too much bias in his judgement for me to take anything he said seriously. Apple will eventually be overtaken by another company at some point, but there's a world of journalists and pundits who continue to cry wolf every day.