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Bernstein is still important and relevant today. He is part of the movement that is actively attempting to address quantum.

by 0des 4y ago

chasil 4y ago
You mean with the formal complaint to NIST? https://groups.google.com/a/list.nist.gov/group/pqc-forum/attach/6f5422d4f193d/complaint-re-apon.pdf?part=0.0.1 https://groups.google.com/a/list.nist.gov/group/pqc-forum/at...
tptacek 4y ago
The normal way to describe that movement is “the field of cryptography”. Lots of people are working on it, and almost everyone pays attention to it.
- 0des 4y ago
  - dogecoinbase 4y ago
    Trusting someone's judgement isn't confined to subfields of their activity.
    - 0des 4y ago
      If I have a brain tumor, I don't care if the surgeon steals fortune cookies or change from the change tray on their days off, if that surgeon is the best I can get. Don't let your ideals compromise your well-being.
      - dogecoinbase 4y ago
        Oh hey, it’s the surgeon the best NPs and anesthesiologists refuse to work with.
  - MonkeyClub 4y ago
    > for daring to publish with controversial figures. I'm afraid I haven't followed djb's past decade or so - what happened?
  - matthewdgreen 4y ago
    >I'm happy to hear any refutations that aren't character assassinations for daring to publish with controversial figures. Can we please not inject this sort of nonsense into discussion stream, please.
    - 0des 4y ago
      Not sure what you're referencing, but feel free to sit this one out if it offends.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    Nobody knows what you're talking about, and whatever it is, it seems like drama for its own sake. Bernstein was one of the earlier post-quantum people; the field has exploded; he's now just one of a (large) bunch of PQC people. It's a pretty simple and banal observation.
  - matthewdgreen 4y ago
    >I'm happy to hear any refutations that aren't character assassinations for daring to publish with controversial figures. I responded to this statement earlier by saying I thought it was inappropriate, then my comment was both upvoted and flagged. So I'm going to respond again at greater length: I think statements like the above are inappropriate for a venue like HN, since they trivialize complex arguments by pre-biasing them to sound like any possible disagreement is actually about some minor personnel controversy. At this point I don't exactly know what you're looking for someone to refute, but I assure you that whatever it is: this is a bad-faith way to make your request.
forty 4y ago
I'm hearing he is mostly piggy backing on others work, as from what I'm told he was a quantum skeptic and joined the game late (honestly just repeating informal chats with some people interested in that topic)
- petre 4y ago
  Isn't all science "piggy backing on others work"?
- 0des 4y ago
- pbsd 4y ago
  I'm not sure how that could be the case. Dan was among the first to push the notion of post-quantum cryptography, along with Johannes Buchmann and his research group at Darmstadt (which credit him in [1] with the coining of the notion of "post-quantum cryptography"). Both organized the first PQCrypto conference in 2006, and edited the first book on post-quantum crypto. [1] https://eprint.iacr.org/2004/297 https://eprint.iacr.org/2004/297

Bernstein is still important and relevant today. He is part of the movement that is actively attempting to address quantum.

by 0des 4y ago

Bernstein is still important and relevant today. He is part of the movement that is actively attempting to address quantum.

chasil 4y ago

You mean with the formal complaint to NIST? https://groups.google.com/a/list.nist.gov/group/pqc-forum/attach/6f5422d4f193d/complaint-re-apon.pdf?part=0.0.1 https://groups.google.com/a/list.nist.gov/group/pqc-forum/at...

tptacek 4y ago

The normal way to describe that movement is “the field of cryptography”. Lots of people are working on it, and almost everyone pays attention to it.

0des 4y ago
- dogecoinbase 4y ago
  Trusting someone's judgement isn't confined to subfields of their activity.
  - 0des 4y ago
    If I have a brain tumor, I don't care if the surgeon steals fortune cookies or change from the change tray on their days off, if that surgeon is the best I can get. Don't let your ideals compromise your well-being.
    - dogecoinbase 4y ago
      Oh hey, it’s the surgeon the best NPs and anesthesiologists refuse to work with.
- MonkeyClub 4y ago
  > for daring to publish with controversial figures. I'm afraid I haven't followed djb's past decade or so - what happened?
- matthewdgreen 4y ago
  >I'm happy to hear any refutations that aren't character assassinations for daring to publish with controversial figures. Can we please not inject this sort of nonsense into discussion stream, please.
  - 0des 4y ago
    Not sure what you're referencing, but feel free to sit this one out if it offends.
- tptacek 4y ago
  Nobody knows what you're talking about, and whatever it is, it seems like drama for its own sake. Bernstein was one of the earlier post-quantum people; the field has exploded; he's now just one of a (large) bunch of PQC people. It's a pretty simple and banal observation.
- matthewdgreen 4y ago
  >I'm happy to hear any refutations that aren't character assassinations for daring to publish with controversial figures. I responded to this statement earlier by saying I thought it was inappropriate, then my comment was both upvoted and flagged. So I'm going to respond again at greater length: I think statements like the above are inappropriate for a venue like HN, since they trivialize complex arguments by pre-biasing them to sound like any possible disagreement is actually about some minor personnel controversy. At this point I don't exactly know what you're looking for someone to refute, but I assure you that whatever it is: this is a bad-faith way to make your request.

forty 4y ago

I'm hearing he is mostly piggy backing on others work, as from what I'm told he was a quantum skeptic and joined the game late (honestly just repeating informal chats with some people interested in that topic)

petre 4y ago
Isn't all science "piggy backing on others work"?
0des 4y ago
pbsd 4y ago
I'm not sure how that could be the case. Dan was among the first to push the notion of post-quantum cryptography, along with Johannes Buchmann and his research group at Darmstadt (which credit him in [1] with the coining of the notion of "post-quantum cryptography"). Both organized the first PQCrypto conference in 2006, and edited the first book on post-quantum crypto. [1] https://eprint.iacr.org/2004/297 https://eprint.iacr.org/2004/297