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There are many comments here that goes: "we had to do all sorts of configuration for this to work, but it's been great and we like it". As a primarily Linux us

There are many comments here that goes: "we had to do all sorts of configuration for this to work, but it's been great and we like it". As a primarily Linux user these feel like very familiar stories. It's kinda refreshing to hear those stories from mac users. Maybe we are not so different after all.

d3nj4l 4y ago
Mac-using devs are mostly Linux-using devs who prefer a non-free distro ;)
- jachee 4y ago
  Some of us cut our teeth on BSD even before linux and Darwin is like a familiar friend’s cousin from across town.
- dmitriy9000 4y ago
  non-free distro and nice trackpad :)
  - addandsubtract 4y ago
    and Adobe :/
    - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
      I suppose that's one advantage of Linux, yes;)
- XorNot 4y ago
  Mac-using devs will file tickets that CI/CD is not working, and don't know how to configure their system to use GNU coreutils. They all just use VS Code or Jetbrains and that's about it, so hell if I know why they need a $3000 machine to run shell commands they don't understand on. I desperately wish one of the big boys would push enterprise Linux dev machines hard.
  - doublepg23 4y ago
    Seems to be moving slowly but Lenovo, Dell and HP are all offering Linux as options - which is something I never would have bet on ten years ago. Not quite _pushing hard_ though.
- mrtksn 4y ago
  That’s not that far from the reality. It’s essentially like using a Linux with really good graphical UI, ecosystem/3rd party integrations that just works and fully supported stellar hardware. After all, macOS is certified Unix and Linux is Unix-like.
  - pxc 4y ago
    As a Linux user who has run a Mac daily for work before, I don't really feel this at all. To me, the core of the Linux experience consists mostly of things that are not part of macOS: - uniform, comprehensive, robust package management, including for the system software - GNU coreutils and related utilities (sed, grep, find, etc.) - good filesystems - 'root is root'; no policy or other bullshit restricting what root can do by default - lots of featureful, performant terminal emulators (to the point that the DE default is almost always fine) - some choice w/r/t desktop experience - popular apps don't just entirely stop working between OS releases - pretty much everything is discoverable and configurable if you're determined Those are given more or less in order of importance, or how essential they are to the Linux experience to me. They don't include any specific complaints about the macOS desktop on its own terms, or things that I miss from my favorite desktop environment (Plasma). But I have plenty of both of those as well. Using Linux just feels good to me, and using macOS really doesn't, even after a year or more 'living in it' every day. Uniform, automated software management is at the heart of it for me. But regardless, using macOS doesn't really feel similar to using Linux to me, even with highly opinionated desktop environments which are not my favorites, like GNOME.
    - mrtksn 4y ago
      If it was the exactly same thing it would have been called Linux :) You can bend the experience the way you like, you don't have to use it as-is. For example, homebrew can take care of the few of the complaints here. By the way, I thought that apps stopping working randomly was a Linux feature? Then you dive in to to fix it, not really an experience I miss. Also, hunting down software for Ubuntu 14.04 or 18.04 because something that works for one doesn't work for the other is a Linux experience. Often you don't have software that simply works on "Linux", you need to find it for specific distro and even specific distro version or compile it from source. The compiling from source often means you need to install the tooling and libraries for that specific version. Then you will have distro and version specific instructions to install, configure and run the thing. Linux is a horrible experience for people who see their computer as tools and don't really like to manage it and want to spend their energy on using that tool to do other things(like designing apps, studying some data, making videos etc). Anyway, it boils down to your preferences.
- colordrops 4y ago
  Or work at a company where Linux isn't possible.
- Sakos 4y ago
  My company gave me a choice between a Thinkpad running Windows and a Macbook. So yeah, of course I chose the MB.
- nottorp 4y ago
  > Mac-using devs are mostly Linux-using devs who prefer a non-free distro ;) A working GUI, to be exact. Source: switched to Macs from Linux in 2013.

d3nj4l 4y ago

Mac-using devs are mostly Linux-using devs who prefer a non-free distro ;)

jachee 4y ago
Some of us cut our teeth on BSD even before linux and Darwin is like a familiar friend’s cousin from across town.
dmitriy9000 4y ago
non-free distro and nice trackpad :)
- addandsubtract 4y ago
  and Adobe :/
  - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
    I suppose that's one advantage of Linux, yes;)
XorNot 4y ago
Mac-using devs will file tickets that CI/CD is not working, and don't know how to configure their system to use GNU coreutils. They all just use VS Code or Jetbrains and that's about it, so hell if I know why they need a $3000 machine to run shell commands they don't understand on. I desperately wish one of the big boys would push enterprise Linux dev machines hard.
- doublepg23 4y ago
  Seems to be moving slowly but Lenovo, Dell and HP are all offering Linux as options - which is something I never would have bet on ten years ago. Not quite _pushing hard_ though.
mrtksn 4y ago
That’s not that far from the reality. It’s essentially like using a Linux with really good graphical UI, ecosystem/3rd party integrations that just works and fully supported stellar hardware. After all, macOS is certified Unix and Linux is Unix-like.
- pxc 4y ago
  As a Linux user who has run a Mac daily for work before, I don't really feel this at all. To me, the core of the Linux experience consists mostly of things that are not part of macOS: - uniform, comprehensive, robust package management, including for the system software - GNU coreutils and related utilities (sed, grep, find, etc.) - good filesystems - 'root is root'; no policy or other bullshit restricting what root can do by default - lots of featureful, performant terminal emulators (to the point that the DE default is almost always fine) - some choice w/r/t desktop experience - popular apps don't just entirely stop working between OS releases - pretty much everything is discoverable and configurable if you're determined Those are given more or less in order of importance, or how essential they are to the Linux experience to me. They don't include any specific complaints about the macOS desktop on its own terms, or things that I miss from my favorite desktop environment (Plasma). But I have plenty of both of those as well. Using Linux just feels good to me, and using macOS really doesn't, even after a year or more 'living in it' every day. Uniform, automated software management is at the heart of it for me. But regardless, using macOS doesn't really feel similar to using Linux to me, even with highly opinionated desktop environments which are not my favorites, like GNOME.
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    If it was the exactly same thing it would have been called Linux :) You can bend the experience the way you like, you don't have to use it as-is. For example, homebrew can take care of the few of the complaints here. By the way, I thought that apps stopping working randomly was a Linux feature? Then you dive in to to fix it, not really an experience I miss. Also, hunting down software for Ubuntu 14.04 or 18.04 because something that works for one doesn't work for the other is a Linux experience. Often you don't have software that simply works on "Linux", you need to find it for specific distro and even specific distro version or compile it from source. The compiling from source often means you need to install the tooling and libraries for that specific version. Then you will have distro and version specific instructions to install, configure and run the thing. Linux is a horrible experience for people who see their computer as tools and don't really like to manage it and want to spend their energy on using that tool to do other things(like designing apps, studying some data, making videos etc). Anyway, it boils down to your preferences.
colordrops 4y ago
Or work at a company where Linux isn't possible.
Sakos 4y ago
My company gave me a choice between a Thinkpad running Windows and a Macbook. So yeah, of course I chose the MB.
nottorp 4y ago
> Mac-using devs are mostly Linux-using devs who prefer a non-free distro ;) A working GUI, to be exact. Source: switched to Macs from Linux in 2013.