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Adafruit has done to Arduino what Arduino did to Wiring. Adafruit is pushing it's own custom python called 'Circuit Python' for it's new hardware so there is no

by suyash 4y ago

Adafruit has done to Arduino what Arduino did to Wiring. Adafruit is pushing it's own custom python called 'Circuit Python' for it's new hardware so there is no Arduino code examples to go with thier products anymore which is a big disaster. We should stick to standard Arduino code that should run on all compatible Arduino devices.

OnionBlender 4y ago
I lost respect for Adafruit after their data leak and they announced they would not be emailing their customers to notify them about the data leak. Although they later changed their mind after people criticised their decision. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/adafruit-discloses-data-leak-from-ex-employees-github-repo/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/adafruit-disc...
bri3d 4y ago
> We should stick to standard Arduino code that should run on all compatible Arduino devices. Why should the entire hobbyist hardware space be an Arduino monoculture? IMO the Arduino proto-language and framework are quite mediocre and it's time to move on. For beginners, embedded hardware has gotten much more powerful and more familiar languages can be employed. For more advanced users and larger projects, using a real RTOS with a real task system unlocks development velocity in a huge way. I don't really love CircuitPython, but I don't see how this is comparable to the Wiring/Arduino situation, nor do I really see it as a step backwards.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
  The thing that bothers me about CircuitPython is that it’s unnecessarily fragmenting the ecosystem just for the gain of its creators. MicroPython was already around when it came about and it offers very little beyond what MicroPython already offers. Arduino created the ecosystem, and while I agree it’s definitely a problematic way to approach things, I don’t really see a replacement for it in the C/C++ space currently. Using something like PlatformIO, which is almost objectively better from a developer perspective, is IMO not what I would consider a replacement. My hope is that eventually embedded Rust will have something beginner friendly like what Arduino offers but I don’t even see the nascent beginnings of something like that currently.
skybrian 4y ago
Switching to PlatformIO is a nice way to go if you want a more sane version of Arduino package management.
nerfhammer 4y ago
quasi-python is a lot easier for beginners than quasi-C imo
sokoloff 4y ago
Adafruit appears to still be supporting the Arduino IDE and ecosystem with their new boards. https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/04/20/new-guide-adafruit-esp32-s3-feather-adafruitlearningsystem-adafruit-adafruit/ https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/04/20/new-guide-adafruit-esp3... "Circuit Playground Express is the newest and best Circuit Playground board, with support for CircuitPython, MakeCode, and Arduino."

by suyash 4y ago

OnionBlender 4y ago

I lost respect for Adafruit after their data leak and they announced they would not be emailing their customers to notify them about the data leak. Although they later changed their mind after people criticised their decision. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/adafruit-discloses-data-leak-from-ex-employees-github-repo/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/adafruit-disc...

bri3d 4y ago

> We should stick to standard Arduino code that should run on all compatible Arduino devices. Why should the entire hobbyist hardware space be an Arduino monoculture? IMO the Arduino proto-language and framework are quite mediocre and it's time to move on. For beginners, embedded hardware has gotten much more powerful and more familiar languages can be employed. For more advanced users and larger projects, using a real RTOS with a real task system unlocks development velocity in a huge way. I don't really love CircuitPython, but I don't see how this is comparable to the Wiring/Arduino situation, nor do I really see it as a step backwards.

SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
The thing that bothers me about CircuitPython is that it’s unnecessarily fragmenting the ecosystem just for the gain of its creators. MicroPython was already around when it came about and it offers very little beyond what MicroPython already offers. Arduino created the ecosystem, and while I agree it’s definitely a problematic way to approach things, I don’t really see a replacement for it in the C/C++ space currently. Using something like PlatformIO, which is almost objectively better from a developer perspective, is IMO not what I would consider a replacement. My hope is that eventually embedded Rust will have something beginner friendly like what Arduino offers but I don’t even see the nascent beginnings of something like that currently.

skybrian 4y ago

Switching to PlatformIO is a nice way to go if you want a more sane version of Arduino package management.

nerfhammer 4y ago

quasi-python is a lot easier for beginners than quasi-C imo

sokoloff 4y ago

Adafruit appears to still be supporting the Arduino IDE and ecosystem with their new boards. https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/04/20/new-guide-adafruit-esp32-s3-feather-adafruitlearningsystem-adafruit-adafruit/ https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/04/20/new-guide-adafruit-esp3... "Circuit Playground Express is the newest and best Circuit Playground board, with support for CircuitPython, MakeCode, and Arduino."