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I understand the need to confuse "ownership" with hackability, for the purposes of philosophizing on this site. We are all tinkerers. But by every definition o

by atonse 15y ago

I understand the need to confuse "ownership" with hackability, for the purposes of philosophizing on this site. We are all tinkerers. But by every definition of ownership recognized by society and our laws (at least in the United States), you completely own your phone. You are lawfully allowed to do the following: - crush it, destroy it, put it in the dishwasher, or drive over it - open it up all you want - sell it to someone else - Install alternate software on it You are under no obligation to anyone once you have purchased that phone. It is, by ANY definition, legally your property. The WORST thing Apple can do to you, is void your warranty. And that is completely acceptable. Whether you think it should be less or more difficult is a philosophical discussion. The fact is, you have all the same protections under any laws that most people who "own" things have. Reply to VladRussian Below (I couldn't find a reply link): Won't get me to disagree with you on anything related to the DMCA. I think it is a pigheaded piece of evil legislation. :) But most of the things I'm talking about aren't related to the DMCA (at least I hope not).

VladRussian 15y ago
>The WORST thing Apple can do to you, is void your warranty. before that the "WORST" was much worse http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/26/library-of-congress-adds-dmca-exception-for-jailbreaking-or-root/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/26/library-of-congress-adds-... And this is the main point of all these discussions. It isn't about technical obstacles put in place by Apple and difficulty to break them as it only adds more interest to process, It is about criminalizing the very act of analysis of the system, ie. an act of mental activity, applied to the system you're supposedly own. >I understand the need to confuse "ownership" with hackability, for the purposes of philosophizing on this site. We are all tinkerers. Nobody tries to confuse ownership and hackability. They are orthogonal. What people still trying to bend their minds around is the ownership and off-limit (for your mind) holes in that ownership established by DMCA.

by atonse 15y ago

VladRussian 15y ago

>The WORST thing Apple can do to you, is void your warranty. before that the "WORST" was much worse http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/26/library-of-congress-adds-dmca-exception-for-jailbreaking-or-root/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/26/library-of-congress-adds-... And this is the main point of all these discussions. It isn't about technical obstacles put in place by Apple and difficulty to break them as it only adds more interest to process, It is about criminalizing the very act of analysis of the system, ie. an act of mental activity, applied to the system you're supposedly own. >I understand the need to confuse "ownership" with hackability, for the purposes of philosophizing on this site. We are all tinkerers. Nobody tries to confuse ownership and hackability. They are orthogonal. What people still trying to bend their minds around is the ownership and off-limit (for your mind) holes in that ownership established by DMCA.