4 ms·

All I can say is... I've seen it all before now? on "web2", nothing ever prevented someone using cert/key based auth, and there were libraries to abstract over

All I can say is... I've seen it all before now? on "web2", nothing ever prevented someone using cert/key based auth, and there were libraries to abstract over proprietary APIs, but if you didn't want to go that way, there is also https://remotestorage.io/ https://remotestorage.io/ et al biggest hugest problem though: no one cares, go ask your mom about the difference between web1, 2, and 3

lukifer 4y ago
Setting aside the arbitrary fuzziness of the "WebN" labels, Web 2.0 addressed two clear shortcomings of the WWW stack: (1) no protocols for persistent user identity, and (2) no protocols for value transfer. The trade-off of the 2.0 era was (is): solving those required out-sourcing to private, pseudo-feudal institutions: Google/Facebook/etc in the first case, PayPal/Venmo/etc in the second. (One could argue that WWW did in fact have affordances to make this possible, in the form of cookies and SSL; but the point is, those affordances were insufficient on their own, requiring integration with centralized "cloud" providers, and in the case of value transfer, central banks as well.) The alleged intent of "web3" is to address these shortcomings in a user-sovereign, platform-native way. No doubt, a huge number of projects operating in the space are glorified rug-pulls and Ponzi schemes; I don't blame skeptics at all, considering the history of moral hazards, perverse incentives, and blatant scams in crypto-economics. All the same, I wouldn't write off the category wholesale; there are some fascinating things happening in non-blockchain FOSS projects [0], voluntary creation of public goods [1], and community revivification of the Commons [2]. [0] https://taler.net/en/index.html https://taler.net/en/index.html [1] https://commonsstack.org/ https://commonsstack.org/ [2] https://commonsengine.org/ https://commonsengine.org/
- afiori 4y ago
  Wasn't Web2.0 essentially XMLHttpRequest together with more featureful servers like Wordpress?
  - krapp 4y ago
    I think the general consensus is that Web 2.0 was the shift from personal content and sites to consolidation of content onto social media, SaaS and content aggregators, but that may be just an abstraction over a shift from a synchronous, mostly static web to an asynchronous, mostly dynamic web.
MrPatan 4y ago
> nothing ever prevented someone using cert/key based auth, It's a pain to set up and use. Which is why nobody did.
- asojfdowgh 4y ago
  less of a pain if someone makes an extension for it, which afaik no one did neither (without cryptocurrencies being mentioned)

lukifer 4y ago

Setting aside the arbitrary fuzziness of the "WebN" labels, Web 2.0 addressed two clear shortcomings of the WWW stack: (1) no protocols for persistent user identity, and (2) no protocols for value transfer. The trade-off of the 2.0 era was (is): solving those required out-sourcing to private, pseudo-feudal institutions: Google/Facebook/etc in the first case, PayPal/Venmo/etc in the second. (One could argue that WWW did in fact have affordances to make this possible, in the form of cookies and SSL; but the point is, those affordances were insufficient on their own, requiring integration with centralized "cloud" providers, and in the case of value transfer, central banks as well.) The alleged intent of "web3" is to address these shortcomings in a user-sovereign, platform-native way. No doubt, a huge number of projects operating in the space are glorified rug-pulls and Ponzi schemes; I don't blame skeptics at all, considering the history of moral hazards, perverse incentives, and blatant scams in crypto-economics. All the same, I wouldn't write off the category wholesale; there are some fascinating things happening in non-blockchain FOSS projects [0], voluntary creation of public goods [1], and community revivification of the Commons [2]. [0] https://taler.net/en/index.html https://taler.net/en/index.html [1] https://commonsstack.org/ https://commonsstack.org/ [2] https://commonsengine.org/ https://commonsengine.org/

afiori 4y ago
Wasn't Web2.0 essentially XMLHttpRequest together with more featureful servers like Wordpress?
- krapp 4y ago
  I think the general consensus is that Web 2.0 was the shift from personal content and sites to consolidation of content onto social media, SaaS and content aggregators, but that may be just an abstraction over a shift from a synchronous, mostly static web to an asynchronous, mostly dynamic web.

MrPatan 4y ago

> nothing ever prevented someone using cert/key based auth, It's a pain to set up and use. Which is why nobody did.

asojfdowgh 4y ago
less of a pain if someone makes an extension for it, which afaik no one did neither (without cryptocurrencies being mentioned)