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Seems like saber rattling. With Sweden and Finland on the path to join NATO, where would Russia even expand? And with their military bogged down in Ukraine, how
by comrh 4y ago
Seems like saber rattling. With Sweden and Finland on the path to join NATO, where would Russia even expand? And with their military bogged down in Ukraine, how would they even expand?
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago[deleted]
- WJW 4y agoThe Ukrainians don't just tip the weapons in the bin you know, they use it to destroy Russian equipment. Whether the rest of Europe actually fires the the weapons itself or if we let Ukrainians do it does not matter for the end result: Russia will not have enough equipment left to push further into Europe. Also it's not like Europe sent so much there is nothing left. It's mostly stockpiles of older kit that was in reserve.
- simion314 4y agoIt is not like they sent the weapons to the void, those are used to slowdown or stop the invasion, worst case it buys time before next country gets invaded. Plus Putin is not that insane to attack EU, his plan was revealed by an idiot that it is to go in Moldova next, then probably the other neighbors that are not in NATO yet.
- robonerd 4y agoThose weapons were designed, built and bought to destroy Russian equipment, and they are being used to destroy Russian equipment. The more they kill in Ukraine, the less they have to kill in the rest of Europe.
- geph2021 4y agoExpand to Georgia, Moldova? I'd be nervous if I lived in a bordering country. Exhausting Russia in Ukraine is perhaps the best rationale to maintain and increase arms shipments and training. Of course how utterly tragic and infuriating to be Ukrainian and have your country destroyed and used as the battleground to keep Putin at bay (for the rest of the world).
- mistrial9 4y ago> Exhausting Russia in Ukraine End This War - not Endless War where did I see that?
- lupire 4y agoThis is what a "buffer state" is and why Ukraine was hesitant to join NATO.
- dragonwriter 4y agoUkraine was hesitant to join NATO when and because it had a President working for Moscow.
- secondcoming 4y ago> I'd be nervous if I lived in a bordering country. They _are_ nervous. Serbia might start acting Serbian again too
- sydbarrett74 4y ago
- mherdeg 4y agoPlenty of room in Kazakhstan.
- vkou 4y agoKazakhstan is a client state, like Belarus.
- dragonwriter 4y ago> Kazakhstan is a client state, like Belarus. It's a client, but not quite like (certainly, not as cooperative as) Belarus. But, for the USSR, that was true of Afghanistan before the Soviet invasion, too, but the invasion still happened. And Kazakhstan turned down the public request Russia made for troops for Ukraine, a request that would not have been publicly made if Putin didn't expect a positive response, and declined to recognize the DPR and LPR.
- saiya-jin 4y agonow that's a public humiliation no mega-ego dictator forgets... I guess we will soon start hearing about kazakh nazis running whole country
- bradford 4y agoRegarding where: beyond Ukraine, I'm imagining Moldova and Georgia. (Regarding how, I have no useful input. )
- dragonwriter 4y ago> With Sweden and Finland on the path to join NATO, where would Russia even expand? It clearly intends to connect at least enclaves in Moldova to the swath of southern Ukraine it seeks to take (having likely abandoned any near term prospect of displacing the Ukrainian regime generally), probably also at least parts of Georgia. It may also seek to bring other CSTO members into the Russia/Belarus “Union State” and make that Union State into a tighter confederation. (And possibly not just by diplomacy; invasion of insufficiently cooperative clients is something that the USSR—hardly uniquely among major powers—did quite a lot of, and a Russian leader who openly sees the USSR as a prior incarnation of Russia whose empire was squandered and improperly dismantled might well turn to the same tactics to restore it.) Beyond that, unless it can somehow neutralize NATO or is willing to go directly to war with it, Russia seems pretty constrained.
- trhway 4y agoPoland. Majority of Russians respond that way when asked where to go next. It like a fetish of the today's Russian Nazism. Strategically speaking, Moldova and Baltic states, which Russia wants very much too, automatically become an easy prey in such a scenario. Russia really hates and very afraid of Intermarrium or anything resembling it. And Putin promised Lukashenko Baltic ports. Basically Russia is trying to make 4th partition of Poland and it starts to look like West Europe, though fortunately not US, start to give a bit of consideration to it. Most probably Poland will get baited into the fight outside article 5 when Russia starts butchering deep inside Central and West Ukraine.
- mrguyorama 4y agoAnd Poland knows it. They've been furiously strong in their support of Ukraine, from huge gifts of soviet arms that Ukrainians can immediately use, to the humanitarian aid of literally opening their borders, no visa needed, to millions of Ukrainians trying to stay alive. Poland loves the opportunity to bloody Russia, but they also love not being the ones to be bleeding for their sovereignty. The rest of the world, at least the ones that stand to gain by weakening Russia, should absolutely follow in their footsteps. Some idiots in the US have been crying that we've sent 1/3rd of our Stinger stocks to Ukraine, as if 1) the stinger is a desirable anti-aircraft platform and should be pushed as a mainstay of American defense, instead of an oldish system that could use a serious upgrade if we wanted it to be useful in a peer conflict, and 2) America actually relied on stingers at all, and didn't have the two largest air forces, designed specifically to murder peer adversary air forces. Remember, as an American, your safety comes mostly from everyone being very far away. We could sent Ukraine our entire air force, and even though they wouldn't know how to use it, America would still have the largest air force in the world in our Navy! Anyone bitching about depleting our own defensive capability helping Ukraine is not arguing in good faith
- trhway 4y ago>Poland loves the opportunity to bloody Russia, but they also love not being the ones to be bleeding for their sovereignty. There is usually not much of a choice. My ancestors from a nobility family (schlyahta) of Grand Douchy of Livonia from before the union with Poland were fighting Moscow Dukedom and later Russian Empire for half a millennia, with for example a far relative being among the leaders of the 1863 Polish uprising. (To their would be dismay i grew up in USSR and was for many years a "Great Russia" chauvinist, a disease very hard to treat :)
- travisathougies 4y agoUmm... Europe is not the only territory in the world. There's all of central asia, and Mongolia, former soviet territory.