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I belong to a farm co-op, every year we're offered a goat or sheep for slaughter, in return for helping pay for these animals to be farmed we get to buy a suppl

I belong to a farm co-op, every year we're offered a goat or sheep for slaughter, in return for helping pay for these animals to be farmed we get to buy a supply of cheese and yogurts that is beyond this world. It's as close to being a good earth citizen as possible while ethically eating a variety of meats. Some of us make vegan cheese to sell to each other, some fruits or vegetables, wine, bread - whatever they decided they want to make a living on. Then some of us who have time contribute with small home goods like hummus or cakes, each week offering what we can to sell to the group. I want a source of unprocessed vegan meat, and I'm looking at recipes to encourage me to make them regularly and freeze and resell, rather than buy. Recipes welcome!

lupire 4y ago
What is unprocessed vegan meat? Making vegan meat requires a "process". Cheese is processed milk. Buy super firm tofu blocks, portabella mushrooms.
- sky-kedge0749 4y ago
  Also lentils are filling and have a lot of protein. Boiled lentils with salt and other seasoning taste fine, are easy to make and as unprocessed as it gets.
- telesilla 4y ago
  Vegan meat from the supermarket is delicious but not a sustainable option for a weekly diet: too much salt and preservatives. Recipes such as black bean & beetroot burgers are superb. I'm on the lookout to more classic recipes, maybe using soy protein or even anything more complicated as long as it doesn't need an industrial kitchen. https://itsavegworldafterall.com/black-bean-beet-burger-recipe/ https://itsavegworldafterall.com/black-bean-beet-burger-reci...
0daystock 4y ago
Those animals are literally raped (euphemistically: "artificially inseminated") so you can eat the food meant for their children, which you know as "cheese" and "milk". I challenge you to be there to hear a mother cow's cry when her child is taken from her to "make veal". How anyone can consciously frame this behavior as moral or ethical on any level remains a mystery to me. Animal products aren't necessary for human health and commodifying them for our selfish purposes has karmic effects which are so obvious.
- Justin_K 4y ago
  Humans are omnivores and have been for all of history. I agree that cruelty is not OK but to say animal products are flat out unnecessary is wrong. It is not palatable or globally viable for every human to eat 2 cups a day of peas for proper protein intake.
  - 0daystock 4y ago
    > Humans are omnivores and have been for all of history. What history? Maybe human history, but evolutionary history says we're frugivorous apes, and that's the history that most materially affects our bio-chemical systems. > I agree that cruelty is not OK but to say animal products are flat out unnecessary is wrong. You're welcome to make an argument for "ethical" production of animal products, but most do not take in account the perspective of the victim - an individual like you and I. > It is not palatable or globally viable for every human to eat 2 cups a day of peas for proper protein intake. Nor is it necessary, and assuming so shows a great ignorance of the role and appropriate amount of protein required for a healthy human diet.
- ivraatiems 4y ago
  Them: "I am trying to be more ethical and reduce animal suffering by taking steps X, Y, and Z. Would anyone like to help?" You: "You're raping animals! Stop being so selfish!" Do you understand how your response here is not helpful? Nobody is going to read your post and think "oh yeah, they're totally right, I have to go fully vegan immediately." They're going to think "I am trying to do better and meet you halfway and you ignored that and called me a rapist." Absolutism is fine when it's you holding yourself to your own standards, but it is often a bad tactic for producing better outcomes in reality. I realize you may feel that animals are equal to humans, and that therefore any harm perpetrated upon them is equivalent to the same harm being perpetrated upon humans. But you have to understand that the vast majority of people - myself included - simply don't agree with that stance. The question is: do you want us to still help you achieve some of your goals, or no?
  - 0daystock 4y ago

lupire 4y ago

What is unprocessed vegan meat? Making vegan meat requires a "process". Cheese is processed milk. Buy super firm tofu blocks, portabella mushrooms.

sky-kedge0749 4y ago
Also lentils are filling and have a lot of protein. Boiled lentils with salt and other seasoning taste fine, are easy to make and as unprocessed as it gets.
telesilla 4y ago
Vegan meat from the supermarket is delicious but not a sustainable option for a weekly diet: too much salt and preservatives. Recipes such as black bean & beetroot burgers are superb. I'm on the lookout to more classic recipes, maybe using soy protein or even anything more complicated as long as it doesn't need an industrial kitchen. https://itsavegworldafterall.com/black-bean-beet-burger-recipe/ https://itsavegworldafterall.com/black-bean-beet-burger-reci...

0daystock 4y ago

Those animals are literally raped (euphemistically: "artificially inseminated") so you can eat the food meant for their children, which you know as "cheese" and "milk". I challenge you to be there to hear a mother cow's cry when her child is taken from her to "make veal". How anyone can consciously frame this behavior as moral or ethical on any level remains a mystery to me. Animal products aren't necessary for human health and commodifying them for our selfish purposes has karmic effects which are so obvious.

Justin_K 4y ago
Humans are omnivores and have been for all of history. I agree that cruelty is not OK but to say animal products are flat out unnecessary is wrong. It is not palatable or globally viable for every human to eat 2 cups a day of peas for proper protein intake.
- 0daystock 4y ago
  > Humans are omnivores and have been for all of history. What history? Maybe human history, but evolutionary history says we're frugivorous apes, and that's the history that most materially affects our bio-chemical systems. > I agree that cruelty is not OK but to say animal products are flat out unnecessary is wrong. You're welcome to make an argument for "ethical" production of animal products, but most do not take in account the perspective of the victim - an individual like you and I. > It is not palatable or globally viable for every human to eat 2 cups a day of peas for proper protein intake. Nor is it necessary, and assuming so shows a great ignorance of the role and appropriate amount of protein required for a healthy human diet.
ivraatiems 4y ago
Them: "I am trying to be more ethical and reduce animal suffering by taking steps X, Y, and Z. Would anyone like to help?" You: "You're raping animals! Stop being so selfish!" Do you understand how your response here is not helpful? Nobody is going to read your post and think "oh yeah, they're totally right, I have to go fully vegan immediately." They're going to think "I am trying to do better and meet you halfway and you ignored that and called me a rapist." Absolutism is fine when it's you holding yourself to your own standards, but it is often a bad tactic for producing better outcomes in reality. I realize you may feel that animals are equal to humans, and that therefore any harm perpetrated upon them is equivalent to the same harm being perpetrated upon humans. But you have to understand that the vast majority of people - myself included - simply don't agree with that stance. The question is: do you want us to still help you achieve some of your goals, or no?
- 0daystock 4y ago