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Heh was about to reply with the same video. It’s really counterintuitive even for people who ride a lot

CamperBob2 4y ago
It's counterintuitive to cyclists because we don't countersteer. We lean instead, generally subconsciously. If we didn't lean, it's true that we'd have to countersteer... but nobody rides that way, making it a flawed analogy at best.
- dilyevsky 4y ago
  I’m not good downhill mtb rider but my understanding it’s really common technique there. Even on road i do that not to take a spill in sharp-ish downhill turn going at speed
- kazinator 4y ago
  You always countersteer; you're just not doing it consciously. Because of that, you're doing it very slightly. Because you're doing it slightly, you enter into turns slowly. You're not able to take sharp corners at a decent speed. You cannot lean without countersteering first; the lean happens because you induced a fall in the desired direction, through a tiny countersteering move. With the tiny, subconscious counter-steers, you induce only small tilts. I suspect it takes multiple small counter-steering maneuvers to "build up" a decent tilt for a sharp turn, which takes time. Once I learned to deliberately countersteer, I then started doing it all the time. I hardly take any turn (big or small) on a bicycle without pushing forward the handle-bar on that side. If you don't make deliberate countersteering your main steering method, so that it becomes second nature, you will not be able to count on yourself to use it in an emergency.
  - CamperBob2 4y ago
    Maybe you countersteer. I don't. I checked by riding through a puddle, turning right, and then checking the resulting trail left by the tires. No overshoot whatsoever.
    - kazinator 4y ago
      Your interpretation of the trail must have missed something. We know that all turning of a bike is via countersteering. You wouldn't be able to turn right on a bike whose steering is locked out from turning left. (See video upthread.)
      - whycombinetor 4y ago
        You can ride a bicycle that is locked out from steering at all. (You can ride one-footed on anti-rocker (2 wheel) inline skates, with some practice).

It's counterintuitive to cyclists because we don't countersteer. We lean instead, generally subconsciously. If we didn't lean, it's true that we'd have to countersteer... but nobody rides that way, making it a flawed analogy at best.

dilyevsky 4y ago
I’m not good downhill mtb rider but my understanding it’s really common technique there. Even on road i do that not to take a spill in sharp-ish downhill turn going at speed
kazinator 4y ago
You always countersteer; you're just not doing it consciously. Because of that, you're doing it very slightly. Because you're doing it slightly, you enter into turns slowly. You're not able to take sharp corners at a decent speed. You cannot lean without countersteering first; the lean happens because you induced a fall in the desired direction, through a tiny countersteering move. With the tiny, subconscious counter-steers, you induce only small tilts. I suspect it takes multiple small counter-steering maneuvers to "build up" a decent tilt for a sharp turn, which takes time. Once I learned to deliberately countersteer, I then started doing it all the time. I hardly take any turn (big or small) on a bicycle without pushing forward the handle-bar on that side. If you don't make deliberate countersteering your main steering method, so that it becomes second nature, you will not be able to count on yourself to use it in an emergency.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  Maybe you countersteer. I don't. I checked by riding through a puddle, turning right, and then checking the resulting trail left by the tires. No overshoot whatsoever.
  - kazinator 4y ago
    Your interpretation of the trail must have missed something. We know that all turning of a bike is via countersteering. You wouldn't be able to turn right on a bike whose steering is locked out from turning left. (See video upthread.)
    - whycombinetor 4y ago
      You can ride a bicycle that is locked out from steering at all. (You can ride one-footed on anti-rocker (2 wheel) inline skates, with some practice).