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Facebook does not make money selling physical items though, it makes money on page views and clicks. If the site is down, they lose all of those ad views and cl

Facebook does not make money selling physical items though, it makes money on page views and clicks. If the site is down, they lose all of those ad views and clicks, they are gone because the time needed to view them and all of the other ads is gone.

citizenpaul 4y ago
I have not worked in the ad space so I'm certainly ignorant of the day to day mechanics. How can you prove that the people didn't just come back 6 hrs later and spend the same time clicking and viewing the same ads? Just in a different timeframe? Is the cost of an ad at 6PM really that much greater than at 10PM? IME SLA's rarely pay out enough to really make it worth pursuing. However I have gotten a couple payouts from SLAs for companies i worked at in the past. I didn't think it was worth the time but I got paid either way. I get they have profit models that "prove" they lost money but they all must be based on an assumption. The assumption that there was only this one chance to catch the attention of the customer and never again. To me this is a very big assumption that simply cannot be proven and is probably wrong.
- tqi 4y ago
  Total Time Spent, Total Post Impressions, Total DAP are both easy to measure and relatively predictable week over week, so its fairly easy to see regressions. Outages definitely impact consumer apps, which makes sense if you stop to consider that a large chunk of time spent on platform comes during the downtime between other activities. Probably less so for commerce apps, especially ones that sell staple goods.
- marcinzm 4y ago
  >How can you prove that the people didn't just come back 6 hrs later and spend the same time clicking and viewing the same ads? Why do you assume intelligent people who make decisions based on this haven't tracked spend by week, spend by month, regression models and the five hundred other ways to try and model this? We're talking about trillion dollar industries and you're assuming they don't do basic sanity checking.
  - abletonlive 4y ago
    dunning-kruger
  - citizenpaul 4y ago
    I did start out saying I simply do not believe them. They don't have data from the time they were down, presumably. That is a big hole in the data for one instance. >assuming they don't do basic sanity checking. I'm sure they have a million ways to say its not my fault. I started writing a huge response about human nature and the incentive to massage stats but I think you will dismiss it. If a system is down its a great opportunity to get a blame hedge in case sales are not as good as you predicted. There is no incentive to take an honest look if a brief downtime really affected sales in a meaningful way. I doubt anyone even does look. They just say this it what it would have been in our models if the downtime did not happen.
- untake 4y ago
  Think the extreme case - what if the site is down for a whole month, a whole day? Then you can understand. Another way: you have nothing else to do at the time. so you might click the ads. But now the site is down, there is no ads for you to click.
- alar44 4y ago
  I mean there was an article yesterday about people not buying/playing GTA5 because of a 5 minute load time. Commercial web sites lose money when they are down. This is obvious to everyone.
  - citizenpaul 4y ago
    For sure. My issue was that I think its way overestimated. They have every incentive from the sales side to pump up that number as much as possible.

citizenpaul 4y ago

I have not worked in the ad space so I'm certainly ignorant of the day to day mechanics. How can you prove that the people didn't just come back 6 hrs later and spend the same time clicking and viewing the same ads? Just in a different timeframe? Is the cost of an ad at 6PM really that much greater than at 10PM? IME SLA's rarely pay out enough to really make it worth pursuing. However I have gotten a couple payouts from SLAs for companies i worked at in the past. I didn't think it was worth the time but I got paid either way. I get they have profit models that "prove" they lost money but they all must be based on an assumption. The assumption that there was only this one chance to catch the attention of the customer and never again. To me this is a very big assumption that simply cannot be proven and is probably wrong.

tqi 4y ago
Total Time Spent, Total Post Impressions, Total DAP are both easy to measure and relatively predictable week over week, so its fairly easy to see regressions. Outages definitely impact consumer apps, which makes sense if you stop to consider that a large chunk of time spent on platform comes during the downtime between other activities. Probably less so for commerce apps, especially ones that sell staple goods.
marcinzm 4y ago
>How can you prove that the people didn't just come back 6 hrs later and spend the same time clicking and viewing the same ads? Why do you assume intelligent people who make decisions based on this haven't tracked spend by week, spend by month, regression models and the five hundred other ways to try and model this? We're talking about trillion dollar industries and you're assuming they don't do basic sanity checking.
- abletonlive 4y ago
  dunning-kruger
- citizenpaul 4y ago
  I did start out saying I simply do not believe them. They don't have data from the time they were down, presumably. That is a big hole in the data for one instance. >assuming they don't do basic sanity checking. I'm sure they have a million ways to say its not my fault. I started writing a huge response about human nature and the incentive to massage stats but I think you will dismiss it. If a system is down its a great opportunity to get a blame hedge in case sales are not as good as you predicted. There is no incentive to take an honest look if a brief downtime really affected sales in a meaningful way. I doubt anyone even does look. They just say this it what it would have been in our models if the downtime did not happen.
untake 4y ago
Think the extreme case - what if the site is down for a whole month, a whole day? Then you can understand. Another way: you have nothing else to do at the time. so you might click the ads. But now the site is down, there is no ads for you to click.
alar44 4y ago
I mean there was an article yesterday about people not buying/playing GTA5 because of a 5 minute load time. Commercial web sites lose money when they are down. This is obvious to everyone.
- citizenpaul 4y ago
  For sure. My issue was that I think its way overestimated. They have every incentive from the sales side to pump up that number as much as possible.