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That particular framing only has "power" if we give it. Once you open that can of worms, you will struggle to put it back. Next up we get white, yellow and red.
by zo1 4y ago
That particular framing only has "power" if we give it. Once you open that can of worms, you will struggle to put it back. Next up we get white, yellow and red. Take all the words out there that use those and imagine what chaos and hatred it'll cause when we start trying to accommodate everyone.
- voxl 4y ago
- OnionBlender 4y agoHow about we stop using colors to categorize human beings? If it offensive to call Chinese people yellow or Aboriginal people red then we should stop calling other people white, black, or brown.
- permo-w 4y ago>This might not even have racist origins, but it does reinforce racist ideals fear of the dark equally fits this profile. is that offensive? >why randomly call it a black list if you're not appealing to this culture? do you think the author asked himself: "how can I import a harmful cultural theme into my work today?" or could it be that blacklist and whitelist are the common usage terms for lists of disallowed and allowed members of a group?
- voxl 4y agoNo I think it was a cognitive bias, why are you importing blame? People who so vehemently defend calling something a blacklist instead of a blocklist are very suspicious to me. Similar energy to defending calling a woman female.
- permo-w 4y agoI wrote out a full reply to what you said, but I started to realise that I don't believe that you're being ingenuous. My gut feeling is this is a false flag operation to turn people [vehemently] against the very real cause of fighting racism and social injustice, or just a bad joke, or both
- secondcoming 4y agoYou’re gaslighting by pretending that calling it a blacklist is ‘random’.
- voxl 4y agoIt's not gaslighting at all, the point is that the origin of the name comes from culture not from description. Without the culture backing up the name it would be random, you're getting your order of operations wrong.
- infamia 4y ago> black means evil and white means divine in popular culture, in video games, etc. Angels are white and demons are black. It's not nearly as black and white (/pun) as you portray. Black is also symbolic of ultimate luxury and sophistication (black limo, black tux, AMEX Black Card, etc.). Nor is white universally considered a good thing either (e.g. whitewashing a bad situation).
- voxl 4y agoThat's funny! Because I _never_ hear anyone call it a black limo, or a black tux, though they are usually black, they are not referred to as black.
- infamia 4y ago> I _never_ hear anyone call it a black limo, or a black tux, though they are usually black, they are not referred to as black. I was responding to your blanket assertion that "black means evil and white means divine in popular culture", which is clearly not true as I've illustrated. Colors have various connotations depending on the context, you have simply latched on to one context and want to apply it everywhere to fit your argument. The fact that AMEX chose to brand their ultra-exclusive card as AMEX Black is telling. Clearly, AMEX thinks you are going to associate their card's name with luxury and exclusivity, and aren't going to associate their card with evil. Edit: Accidentally quoted the grandparent instead of the parent.
- dshpala 4y agoI suggest approaching this issue from the other angle - which alternatives are worse than whitelist/blacklist in your opinion?
- barbazoo 4y ago