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I'm no fan of the Conservatives, the "political" "party" responsible for said laughter and ridicule, but it's important to point out that that video [0] is of Q

I'm no fan of the Conservatives, the "political" "party" responsible for said laughter and ridicule, but it's important to point out that that video [0] is of Question Period, which, much like Britain's (and presumably other Westminister parliamentary democracies), isn't decorous at all, unlike normal House proceedings. Rather, QP is reserved for gotchas, laughter, and ridicule -- which doesn't entirely absolve the Cons, but it should be seen as less "mask-off evil" and more "unnecessarily theatrical, but about something actually genuinely important rather than a meaningless political scandal". So, callous, and uh, approaching evil, but not there yet. The "some MP" in question is Jagmeet Singh, the leader of the NDP, Canada's perennially second-banana left-wing party. To translate the status of the NDP into American: you can think of them as those third-party candidates who'd actually usher in change, but thanks to FUD everyone votes for one of the two neoliberals [1]. [0] https://youtu.be/mvzrfn9szsA?t=1907 https://youtu.be/mvzrfn9szsA?t=1907 [1] https://frinkiac.com/caption/S08E01/1276507 https://frinkiac.com/caption/S08E01/1276507

wnolens 4y ago
> To translate the status of the NDP into American: you can think of them as those third-party candidates who'd actually usher in change, but thanks to FUD everyone votes for one of the two neoliberals I don't think the fear, uncertainty, and doubt are unwarranted when your policy proposal are roughly "free everything for everyone" and "no rich people allowed". I'm being a bit crass, but I don't have the time to dig up and cite their policy proposals from the federal election a few years ago which looked like a fantasy wishlist that ignores things like "costs".
- revolvingocelot 4y ago
  >I'm being a bit crass, but I don't have the time to dig up and cite their policy proposals from the federal election a few years ago which looked like a fantasy wishlist that ignores things like "costs". Just an FYI to other HN users: this is just lies. Whether ignorance or malice, it's lies. The above position isn't an unusual one in the Canadian right wing, though; I bet the above poster voted for Kodos. Regarding the 2021 election: >In the IFSD report released Sunday, the NDP platform was rated high by Mr. Page’s institute for realistic fiscal assumptions and passed on fiscal responsibility, but got a failing grade on transparency. [0] And as for Kodos' team: >Mr. Page’s team gave the Conservative costed platform a passing grade overall, but a score of “fail” under the category of responsible fiscal management. [0] The NDP are often maligned this way, yet cursory examination of federal (and even most provincial!) political history shows that, er, the Conservatives are the ones who are bad with money. [1] It's just that Postmedia, our media monopoly, is mostly owned by the American-right-wing-aligned Chatham Asset Management, and thus backs the Cons more often than not. [0] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ndp-is-the-last-of-three-main-parties-to-release-platform-costing-as/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ndp-is-the-... [1] https://rabble.ca/economy/ndp-far-have-most-fiscally-responsible-record-any-federal-party/ https://rabble.ca/economy/ndp-far-have-most-fiscally-respons...

wnolens 4y ago

> To translate the status of the NDP into American: you can think of them as those third-party candidates who'd actually usher in change, but thanks to FUD everyone votes for one of the two neoliberals I don't think the fear, uncertainty, and doubt are unwarranted when your policy proposal are roughly "free everything for everyone" and "no rich people allowed". I'm being a bit crass, but I don't have the time to dig up and cite their policy proposals from the federal election a few years ago which looked like a fantasy wishlist that ignores things like "costs".

revolvingocelot 4y ago
>I'm being a bit crass, but I don't have the time to dig up and cite their policy proposals from the federal election a few years ago which looked like a fantasy wishlist that ignores things like "costs". Just an FYI to other HN users: this is just lies. Whether ignorance or malice, it's lies. The above position isn't an unusual one in the Canadian right wing, though; I bet the above poster voted for Kodos. Regarding the 2021 election: >In the IFSD report released Sunday, the NDP platform was rated high by Mr. Page’s institute for realistic fiscal assumptions and passed on fiscal responsibility, but got a failing grade on transparency. [0] And as for Kodos' team: >Mr. Page’s team gave the Conservative costed platform a passing grade overall, but a score of “fail” under the category of responsible fiscal management. [0] The NDP are often maligned this way, yet cursory examination of federal (and even most provincial!) political history shows that, er, the Conservatives are the ones who are bad with money. [1] It's just that Postmedia, our media monopoly, is mostly owned by the American-right-wing-aligned Chatham Asset Management, and thus backs the Cons more often than not. [0] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ndp-is-the-last-of-three-main-parties-to-release-platform-costing-as/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ndp-is-the-... [1] https://rabble.ca/economy/ndp-far-have-most-fiscally-responsible-record-any-federal-party/ https://rabble.ca/economy/ndp-far-have-most-fiscally-respons...