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When you look at the role that the West played in the Arab spring movement in general, specifically Intel agencies destabilizing Libya, and supporting extremist

When you look at the role that the West played in the Arab spring movement in general, specifically Intel agencies destabilizing Libya, and supporting extremist movements, the rapid pull out of Iraq, when it was known that extremist factions were waiting for this to happen...the West had it's hands all over this. The West was involved from the beginning, just not in obvious ways.

watwut 4y ago
Every time there are protests against a dictator, it is west doing. There is no way those dictatorships would had people protesting them when opportunity arises. It is all CIA opsec, whether Arab spring or Ukraine or anything. /s Nah.
- yonaguska 4y ago
  Concerning Ukraine, the CIA literally funded the Banderas movement for years, even going so far as to protect people from the Nuremberg trials to ensure that Ukraine would have a resistance movement under the USSR. This is not classified information anymore. And until recently, you could listen to a phone call with Secretary Nuland as she discussed who should be placed into power in the anti-Lukaschenko movement. She also discusses how the EuroMaidan protests would need at least 100 dead in order to justify American support and intervention. Gaddafi, we enforced no fly zones and called on NATO to help the the Muslim brotherhood oust Gaddafi. In WikiLeaks cables, Clinton bragged about taking out Gaddafi, as well as in public, and Blumenthal even discussed investing in an arms company in order to profit from the conflict. In Syria, we watched no fly zones being established that protected ISIS, while ISIS was condemned publicly by the same politicians that protected them. Then the CIA sent arms to "moderate rebels" that were simply rebranded IS groups. Some of those groups, after receiving arms, went public with their allegiance to IS. Don't forget Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, another group that the US had a heavy hand in creating in order to creating. And we've done stuff like this on every single continent. Patrice Lumumba got too friendly with the Russians and communism. Haven't even gotten to South America. And I'm someone that would consider themselves very anti communist, but I can acknowledge that the US has been involved in some incredibly destructive behind the scenes foreign policy. This stuff isn't really disputed.

watwut 4y ago

Every time there are protests against a dictator, it is west doing. There is no way those dictatorships would had people protesting them when opportunity arises. It is all CIA opsec, whether Arab spring or Ukraine or anything. /s Nah.

yonaguska 4y ago
Concerning Ukraine, the CIA literally funded the Banderas movement for years, even going so far as to protect people from the Nuremberg trials to ensure that Ukraine would have a resistance movement under the USSR. This is not classified information anymore. And until recently, you could listen to a phone call with Secretary Nuland as she discussed who should be placed into power in the anti-Lukaschenko movement. She also discusses how the EuroMaidan protests would need at least 100 dead in order to justify American support and intervention. Gaddafi, we enforced no fly zones and called on NATO to help the the Muslim brotherhood oust Gaddafi. In WikiLeaks cables, Clinton bragged about taking out Gaddafi, as well as in public, and Blumenthal even discussed investing in an arms company in order to profit from the conflict. In Syria, we watched no fly zones being established that protected ISIS, while ISIS was condemned publicly by the same politicians that protected them. Then the CIA sent arms to "moderate rebels" that were simply rebranded IS groups. Some of those groups, after receiving arms, went public with their allegiance to IS. Don't forget Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, another group that the US had a heavy hand in creating in order to creating. And we've done stuff like this on every single continent. Patrice Lumumba got too friendly with the Russians and communism. Haven't even gotten to South America. And I'm someone that would consider themselves very anti communist, but I can acknowledge that the US has been involved in some incredibly destructive behind the scenes foreign policy. This stuff isn't really disputed.