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If I call you a child-eating asshole, and every story is either about how much of a goat-fucking moron you are, or gruesome stories with graphic murders, will y

by bertil 4y ago

If I call you a child-eating asshole, and every story is either about how much of a goat-fucking moron you are, or gruesome stories with graphic murders, will you want to stay on Hacker News?

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
>>citation needed >strawman provided Dictionary needed?
- yeahSo 4y ago
- bertil 4y ago
  This was not a strawman: nothing is when you talk about Facebook. There’s anything on that website: even the one in a billion thing happen several times a day.
Nextgrid 4y ago
Direct insults aren't what FB is promoting. FB promotes biased if not outright fake coverage of real-world events that stir up outrage and controversy and encourage people to "engage" by arguing in the comments or seeking more of such content.
- bertil 4y ago
  But the thing is: outrage and controversy are seen by your friends who are insulted by it.
erellsworth 4y ago
First, that's not a citation. Where's the data that shows controversy reduces engagement? Second, that's not at all what happens on Facebook though. On Facebook every other story is about how people outside of your tribe are child-eating assholes. This very discussion is a counterfactual to your claim. Someone posts a topic that is somewhat controversial, and we're all arguing about it in the comments. That's engagement. That's what most social media optimizes for, and it's why most social media is cesspit.
- bertil 4y ago
  Do you think that I want to contribute after I’ve been called names and downvoted for trying to provide an informed experience? Yes, some people will pile up for a minute. As a user that’s what you see, but controversies are not gratuituous: if you are racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, or anything heated, your friends, colleagues, family members who are insulted will see that and disengage. I’ve had to look at how much that represent, and it’s a much stronger effect than the pile-up that you noticed.

by bertil 4y ago

If I call you a child-eating asshole, and every story is either about how much of a goat-fucking moron you are, or gruesome stories with graphic murders, will you want to stay on Hacker News?

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago

>>citation needed >strawman provided Dictionary needed?

yeahSo 4y ago
bertil 4y ago
This was not a strawman: nothing is when you talk about Facebook. There’s anything on that website: even the one in a billion thing happen several times a day.

Nextgrid 4y ago

Direct insults aren't what FB is promoting. FB promotes biased if not outright fake coverage of real-world events that stir up outrage and controversy and encourage people to "engage" by arguing in the comments or seeking more of such content.

bertil 4y ago
But the thing is: outrage and controversy are seen by your friends who are insulted by it.

erellsworth 4y ago

First, that's not a citation. Where's the data that shows controversy reduces engagement? Second, that's not at all what happens on Facebook though. On Facebook every other story is about how people outside of your tribe are child-eating assholes. This very discussion is a counterfactual to your claim. Someone posts a topic that is somewhat controversial, and we're all arguing about it in the comments. That's engagement. That's what most social media optimizes for, and it's why most social media is cesspit.

bertil 4y ago
Do you think that I want to contribute after I’ve been called names and downvoted for trying to provide an informed experience? Yes, some people will pile up for a minute. As a user that’s what you see, but controversies are not gratuituous: if you are racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, or anything heated, your friends, colleagues, family members who are insulted will see that and disengage. I’ve had to look at how much that represent, and it’s a much stronger effect than the pile-up that you noticed.