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"Was there no way to handle the palestinian refugees without authoritarian methods? " That is one if the ongoing big questions worldwide, isn't it? The EU sol

"Was there no way to handle the palestinian refugees without authoritarian methods? " That is one if the ongoing big questions worldwide, isn't it? The EU solves it by paying Erdogan and co. to do most of the dirty work of keeping them away. There is no nice way, to turn someone desperate away. You can either integrate them well, or you push them out. Or you can work towards solutions, that bring prosperity to the poor, exploited areas of the world. Ending wars would be a good start.

dotancohen 4y ago
> You can either integrate them well, or you push them out. But what is "integration" when for every one of _your_ citizens, _two_ refugees are coming. At that scale one is not integrating the refugees, rather, one is simply giving the country to the refugees. Of course, those refugees had to go live _somewhere_. The Egyptians rounded them up into Gaza, stuffing 250,000 people into land that could support 60,000 and already had over 100,000. That is why there are no real refugee camps in Egypt today, and why Egypt refused to take Gaza back after 1956.
IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
>>>>There is no nice way, to turn someone desperate away. You can either integrate them well, or you push them out. Historically, there was a 3rd and even 4th option. Both are extremely antihuman (genocide, slavery) but they were options nonetheless.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  And of course there is the 5th, often applied solution of putting them in enclosed temporary camps, that turn permanent, if the conflict never gets solved. And personally I like the swiss approach, too.
IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
>>>>>Was there no way to handle the palestinian refugees without authoritarian methods? " Actually I will take a stab at the question. I think Switzerland is a decent example of how to handle refugees while still remaining a free country. In fact, Switzerland offers a glimpse of a solution: the suisse model of citizenship the municipal level. In Switzerland, each canton makes its own rules for naturalization. Some cantons have adhoc policies, and refuse granting citizenship for almost any reason. [1]. Now, expand that thesis: - if cantons also had sovereign control of their borders (which they did, during the old confederacy) they could manage refugee crisis while retaining democratic ideals. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/switzerland-citizenship-nancy-holten/513212/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/sw...
- dotancohen 4y ago
  To what quantity of refugees does that scale? Being able to turn away _all_ refugees is a luxury that some non-Mediterranean European countries have because there is a buffer state before the refuge is actually on your land. But when the refugees are flooding over your border at the rate of 2 refugees for every 1 of your citizens, how effective such a policy in practice?

dotancohen 4y ago

> You can either integrate them well, or you push them out. But what is "integration" when for every one of _your_ citizens, _two_ refugees are coming. At that scale one is not integrating the refugees, rather, one is simply giving the country to the refugees. Of course, those refugees had to go live _somewhere_. The Egyptians rounded them up into Gaza, stuffing 250,000 people into land that could support 60,000 and already had over 100,000. That is why there are no real refugee camps in Egypt today, and why Egypt refused to take Gaza back after 1956.

IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago

>>>>There is no nice way, to turn someone desperate away. You can either integrate them well, or you push them out. Historically, there was a 3rd and even 4th option. Both are extremely antihuman (genocide, slavery) but they were options nonetheless.

hutzlibu 4y ago
And of course there is the 5th, often applied solution of putting them in enclosed temporary camps, that turn permanent, if the conflict never gets solved. And personally I like the swiss approach, too.

IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago

>>>>>Was there no way to handle the palestinian refugees without authoritarian methods? " Actually I will take a stab at the question. I think Switzerland is a decent example of how to handle refugees while still remaining a free country. In fact, Switzerland offers a glimpse of a solution: the suisse model of citizenship the municipal level. In Switzerland, each canton makes its own rules for naturalization. Some cantons have adhoc policies, and refuse granting citizenship for almost any reason. [1]. Now, expand that thesis: - if cantons also had sovereign control of their borders (which they did, during the old confederacy) they could manage refugee crisis while retaining democratic ideals. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/switzerland-citizenship-nancy-holten/513212/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/sw...

dotancohen 4y ago
To what quantity of refugees does that scale? Being able to turn away _all_ refugees is a luxury that some non-Mediterranean European countries have because there is a buffer state before the refuge is actually on your land. But when the refugees are flooding over your border at the rate of 2 refugees for every 1 of your citizens, how effective such a policy in practice?