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Yeah, many platforms converge to similar methods. But only some of them are controlled by totalitarian regimes, of course.

fritigern 4y ago
- uniqueuid 4y ago
  Although I can relate to the sentiment, and the history of US interventions is not one that's seen favorable today, I think that you are underestimating Xi's position right now. China has become much more oppressive internally. And if you don't care about human rights for the Chinese population, then maybe you care about the fact that the Xi regime asserts eventual control over foreign reporting [1]: “48-character policy” (48字方针), an all-dimensional vision of comprehensive control across media platforms and bridging the domestic/international frames, articulated through 12 four-character phrases. ... Party domination of the message as reflected in both domestic and international public opinion" [1] https://chinamediaproject.org/2022/05/03/developing-online-media-control/ https://chinamediaproject.org/2022/05/03/developing-online-m...
  - fritigern 4y ago
    I agree, the regime in China is nothing good. But we live in an imperfect world and they clearly are the "lesser of the many evils" our there. Just one concrete example: China didn't wage wars for 20+ years in the Middle East, resulting in millions of desperate refugees showing up on our doorstep.
    - uniqueuid 4y ago
      Again, it's a question of perspective. Mao killed dozens of millions of people and strongly supported the Khmer Rouge, which in turn were responsible for some of the worst atrocities of the 20th century. Xi seems to be performing a turn back towards authoritarianism. Who do you trust? Out of both countries, I worry more about that which is less transparent and has less democratic institutions and less commitment to human rights. Though I worry about both, of course.
      - fritigern 4y ago
        Those transparent democratic institutions didn't stop 20+ years of war in the Middle East.
        uniqueuid 4y ago
        This neither addresses my point nor is it relevant to the comparison.
        fritigern 4y ago
        It is relevant. Your point: "US is less scary/harmful than China, because it's a democracy". My response: "The fact that US is a democracy doesn't change anything if you are not a citizen of that democracy. Also being a democracy didn't prevent US from committing mass-murder in the Middle East".
- kwere 4y ago
  Vietnam begs to differ. NK is a made up vassal state in the korea war. Tension almost broke out in war with USSR. India is object of continous skirmishes (sino-indian war, 1962). Japan was too strong to combact, but not to antagonize (in the public discourse), SK is a protectorate.

fritigern 4y ago

uniqueuid 4y ago
Although I can relate to the sentiment, and the history of US interventions is not one that's seen favorable today, I think that you are underestimating Xi's position right now. China has become much more oppressive internally. And if you don't care about human rights for the Chinese population, then maybe you care about the fact that the Xi regime asserts eventual control over foreign reporting [1]: “48-character policy” (48字方针), an all-dimensional vision of comprehensive control across media platforms and bridging the domestic/international frames, articulated through 12 four-character phrases. ... Party domination of the message as reflected in both domestic and international public opinion" [1] https://chinamediaproject.org/2022/05/03/developing-online-media-control/ https://chinamediaproject.org/2022/05/03/developing-online-m...
- fritigern 4y ago
  I agree, the regime in China is nothing good. But we live in an imperfect world and they clearly are the "lesser of the many evils" our there. Just one concrete example: China didn't wage wars for 20+ years in the Middle East, resulting in millions of desperate refugees showing up on our doorstep.
  - uniqueuid 4y ago
    Again, it's a question of perspective. Mao killed dozens of millions of people and strongly supported the Khmer Rouge, which in turn were responsible for some of the worst atrocities of the 20th century. Xi seems to be performing a turn back towards authoritarianism. Who do you trust? Out of both countries, I worry more about that which is less transparent and has less democratic institutions and less commitment to human rights. Though I worry about both, of course.
    - fritigern 4y ago
      Those transparent democratic institutions didn't stop 20+ years of war in the Middle East.
      - uniqueuid 4y ago
        This neither addresses my point nor is it relevant to the comparison.
        fritigern 4y ago
        It is relevant. Your point: "US is less scary/harmful than China, because it's a democracy". My response: "The fact that US is a democracy doesn't change anything if you are not a citizen of that democracy. Also being a democracy didn't prevent US from committing mass-murder in the Middle East".
kwere 4y ago
Vietnam begs to differ. NK is a made up vassal state in the korea war. Tension almost broke out in war with USSR. India is object of continous skirmishes (sino-indian war, 1962). Japan was too strong to combact, but not to antagonize (in the public discourse), SK is a protectorate.