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Absolutely, I remember owning a nokia n85 12 years ago which had native SIP support. I wish ios and android had this.

by phowat 4y ago

Nextgrid 4y ago
Early Android had it - wouldn't be surprised if it still exists now but has been hidden from the UI. For VoWiFI/VoLTE it's already using SIP anyway so there definitely is a SIP client. The only reason you're not given access to it is because carriers are doing their best to protect their obsolete business model, and despite the appearances, Apple is fully complicit as well.
- wolrah 4y ago
  > Early Android had it - wouldn't be surprised if it still exists now but has been hidden from the UI. It's buried in the settings for the Phone app (the dialer) and AFAIK is often removed from OEM ROMs because of course it is. As a VoIP engineer, it's a terrible soft client. It works, barely, and has basically no features beyond bare minimum calling. I've tried to use it repeatedly over the years but always ended up on commercial softphones like Bria or GS Wave.
  - kevincox 4y ago
    SIP was actually removed from the ASOP dialer very recently. It was removed in Android 12 (released late 2021). The support was never great (it would reset to defaulting to SIM calls every reboot) but it worked and was reliable.
    - bestham 4y ago
      SIP is the basis for VoLTE and VoNR. So in some sense iOS and Android still support SIP.
supertrope 4y ago
Although Google stopped supporting the OS integrated SIP client and eventually removed it, you can install Acrobits Groundwire or Bria. Those support PUSH notification for incoming calls. Push is better than missing calls because the app got killed, or forcing the app to run 24/7 and severely shortening battery runtime. But the call quality will never be as good as the native phone app as that gets QCI prioritization.
TMSZ 4y ago
I remember these phones had some interoperability issue: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mobiledevices/forum/all/nokia-e72-sip/1ae79fc1-7e0e-4fe5-87c5-aa9d8ae9c7a7 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mobiledevices/forum/all/... (technically all according to specification, but often not working for incoming calls). At the time Symbian was supported by pjsip though.

Absolutely, I remember owning a nokia n85 12 years ago which had native SIP support. I wish ios and android had this.

by phowat 4y ago

Absolutely, I remember owning a nokia n85 12 years ago which had native SIP support. I wish ios and android had this.

Early Android had it - wouldn't be surprised if it still exists now but has been hidden from the UI. For VoWiFI/VoLTE it's already using SIP anyway so there definitely is a SIP client. The only reason you're not given access to it is because carriers are doing their best to protect their obsolete business model, and despite the appearances, Apple is fully complicit as well.

wolrah 4y ago
> Early Android had it - wouldn't be surprised if it still exists now but has been hidden from the UI. It's buried in the settings for the Phone app (the dialer) and AFAIK is often removed from OEM ROMs because of course it is. As a VoIP engineer, it's a terrible soft client. It works, barely, and has basically no features beyond bare minimum calling. I've tried to use it repeatedly over the years but always ended up on commercial softphones like Bria or GS Wave.
- kevincox 4y ago
  SIP was actually removed from the ASOP dialer very recently. It was removed in Android 12 (released late 2021). The support was never great (it would reset to defaulting to SIM calls every reboot) but it worked and was reliable.
  - bestham 4y ago
    SIP is the basis for VoLTE and VoNR. So in some sense iOS and Android still support SIP.

supertrope 4y ago

Although Google stopped supporting the OS integrated SIP client and eventually removed it, you can install Acrobits Groundwire or Bria. Those support PUSH notification for incoming calls. Push is better than missing calls because the app got killed, or forcing the app to run 24/7 and severely shortening battery runtime. But the call quality will never be as good as the native phone app as that gets QCI prioritization.

TMSZ 4y ago

I remember these phones had some interoperability issue: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mobiledevices/forum/all/nokia-e72-sip/1ae79fc1-7e0e-4fe5-87c5-aa9d8ae9c7a7 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mobiledevices/forum/all/... (technically all according to specification, but often not working for incoming calls). At the time Symbian was supported by pjsip though.