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>> It’s unfortunate but true that the ICM, adderall-abusing, 20hrs/day people just fucking crush the folks who kayak on the weekend. Not at kayaking. And I'm

>> It’s unfortunate but true that the ICM, adderall-abusing, 20hrs/day people just fucking crush the folks who kayak on the weekend. Not at kayaking. And I'm only being slightly facetious. "Winning at coding/tech career" is just one dimension of many, many alternatives.

bumby 4y ago
Very true, but it can be difficult to manage in team environment. It's frustrating when a "this is my life" person relies on a "this is my job" person and the latter is too busy planning their next kayak trip to carry their pack. It would be the equivalent of the former constantly poking holes in the latter's kayak.
- brianmcc 4y ago
  Don't mix up "enjoys work life balance and has evening and weekend plans" with "slacks off at work and drops the ball" though, they really are not the same. The latter can and should be challenged. I 100% agree someone not really engaging at work can have a highly negative impact. IMO we should aim for "highly engaged 9 to 5 - but then enjoy life"!
  - bumby 4y ago
    >IMO we should aim for "highly engaged 9 to 5 - but then enjoy life"! I agree, but that perspective doesn't reconcile with the point higher up in the thread from somebody who works in the field of identifying high performers. I believe their point was that the "work is a job" people can't really compete with the "work is my life" group. Naturally then, the latter group would then be constantly outpacing the others.
    - brianmcc 4y ago
      That's a fair point. The challenge is to decide what you want from life - to be a Top 1% Career Winner or someone who spreads their resources more evenly, with the compromises that really does force. You can crush it and give your all in your 20s, and take a difference pace later on at the right time for you, and that can work very well for people, it often does! The original article is cautioning against an all-in-one-basket approach that - rather than launch you into the career achievement place you expect - ends up taking more than you can give and burning you out. It's also not all-or-nothing. Consider a Normal Distribution of achievement, it's entirely OK to be in the top 25% or 10% rather than top 1%. None of us I'm sure wants to be in the bottom percentiles, but it's fine to not even aim for the very very top. That's my view anyway, others will definitely disagree!
      - bumby 4y ago
        You're completely right. I just don't know how a "Career 1%" person can continue that path in a team full of, say, "Kayak 1%" types. At some point, the team will limit your trajectory. I guess it speaks to finding your tribe of people with similar values.
- bigbillheck 4y ago
  > It's frustrating when ... Sounds like a perfect opportunity for personal growth on the part of the former.

bumby 4y ago

Very true, but it can be difficult to manage in team environment. It's frustrating when a "this is my life" person relies on a "this is my job" person and the latter is too busy planning their next kayak trip to carry their pack. It would be the equivalent of the former constantly poking holes in the latter's kayak.

brianmcc 4y ago
Don't mix up "enjoys work life balance and has evening and weekend plans" with "slacks off at work and drops the ball" though, they really are not the same. The latter can and should be challenged. I 100% agree someone not really engaging at work can have a highly negative impact. IMO we should aim for "highly engaged 9 to 5 - but then enjoy life"!
- bumby 4y ago
  >IMO we should aim for "highly engaged 9 to 5 - but then enjoy life"! I agree, but that perspective doesn't reconcile with the point higher up in the thread from somebody who works in the field of identifying high performers. I believe their point was that the "work is a job" people can't really compete with the "work is my life" group. Naturally then, the latter group would then be constantly outpacing the others.
  - brianmcc 4y ago
    That's a fair point. The challenge is to decide what you want from life - to be a Top 1% Career Winner or someone who spreads their resources more evenly, with the compromises that really does force. You can crush it and give your all in your 20s, and take a difference pace later on at the right time for you, and that can work very well for people, it often does! The original article is cautioning against an all-in-one-basket approach that - rather than launch you into the career achievement place you expect - ends up taking more than you can give and burning you out. It's also not all-or-nothing. Consider a Normal Distribution of achievement, it's entirely OK to be in the top 25% or 10% rather than top 1%. None of us I'm sure wants to be in the bottom percentiles, but it's fine to not even aim for the very very top. That's my view anyway, others will definitely disagree!
    - bumby 4y ago
      You're completely right. I just don't know how a "Career 1%" person can continue that path in a team full of, say, "Kayak 1%" types. At some point, the team will limit your trajectory. I guess it speaks to finding your tribe of people with similar values.
bigbillheck 4y ago
> It's frustrating when ... Sounds like a perfect opportunity for personal growth on the part of the former.