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It's a lot simpler than that. PRC's XJ security architecture is publically about counter terrorism and deradicalization through forced reeducation (with mass i

It's a lot simpler than that. PRC's XJ security architecture is publically about counter terrorism and deradicalization through forced reeducation (with mass interment) and poverty alleviation. While forced sterilzation for women with 3+ kids is XJ catching up to family planning policies with rest of PRC. Years of consistent Uyghur terrorist attacks stopped in exchange for repressing minority consisting 0.02% of population. Majory Han is AOK with this. Plurality of UN position endorses XJ as counter terrorism narrative (with overwhemling support from Muslim countries), minority as human right abuses, and fringe as genocide. So when PRC students say: >"we were crucified in a courtroom for crimes that we did not commit" They don't mean for crimes they personally did not commit, but alleged "genocide" that the global political UN community majority states PRC did not commit. And in fact the opposite position is true, to them PRC has found a relatively "humane" method of eliminating radical terrorism versus US bombing the shit out of the ME. As for being vocal / belligerant about it on campus, that's what what happens when complex diasphora drama between PRC and other anti-CCP minorities happens abroad. Especially in for profit "education" institutes (really prestige diploma mills). They're paying 50K USD + board and enjoying their customarhy campus freedom of expression perks. Foreign student enjoying western campus culture doesn't mean they also get brainwashed endorse western foreign policy instead of their domestic ones. Especially when the gap in perspective is so antithetical.

logicchains 4y ago
>They don't mean for crimes they personally did not commit, but alleged "genocide" that the global political UN community majority states PRC did not commit. The "majority" of UN are poor countries on China's payroll; facts are not a matter of majority opinion. >And in fact the opposite position is true, to them PRC has found a relatively "humane" method of eliminating radical terrorism versus US bombing the shit out of the ME. So completely annihilating an ethnicity through sterilization and banning their cultural practices is more humane than indiscriminate bombing? In fifty years' time there'll still be an Iraq and Iraqi people, but if the current practices continue then in fifty years there'll barely be any Uighurs in China. Fortunately the Chinese people are beginning to see that what Xi did to poor Uighurs in Xinjiang, he can just as easily do for rich Hanzu in Shanghai. A taste of their own medicine, so to speak.
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  There is no annihilation of an ethnicity and Uyghur birth rates are still higher than Han.
  - Gnob 4y ago
    Citation? besides CCP / China's govt sources please
- dirtyid 4y ago
  Facts are majority of poor country own more to west cumulative and have greater strategic support. Including near unanimous ME who depends on US security architecture. It costs nothing to defect from PRC but they still CHOOSE to endorse antiterrorisn because that's the most relevant lens. CCP money is stupid cope argument to deny countries with their own agency, again reflected in global south not giving a fuck about RU. They see through about liberal order propaganda. Most countries are much more suborn to US/west pressure but still collectively endorse PRC position becauce the leadership wants what PRC is selling, a securitization system that eliminates radicalism. >more humane than indiscriminate bombin Of course. In 50 years Iraq will likely still be a secretarian shithole that haven't fully recovered from US destruction. Meanwhile in the the past 7 years of XJ securitization alone, XJ infra has improved dramatically, and within a generation the kids will be properly sinicized to particpate in broader PRC society/economy. Of course there's still going to be Uyghurs in PRC in 50 years, for the sinmple reason that reducing recognized ethnics groups from 56 to 55 to look bad. They'll certainly have a relatively better existence than indigenous peoples in North America post cultural genocide. >rich Hanzu in Shanghai Meanwhile majority of PRC not hard locked down thinks it's was overdue for shanghai to get a taste of the XJ medicine for trying to deviate from zero covid in the first place. Did we forget Wuhan bitterness subsided in relatively short time when they realized how fucked the rest of world handled covid. Right now that's seeing the shitshow of living with covid on TW with their "fancy" mRNA vax.
Gnob 4y ago
It's really as simple as, they can go back to China if they want to disrespect the hosting culture with no proof or evidence to support their claims, just taunt and probably mob or bully others who've been probably through horrors caused by the very good CCP, then play the victim card. If the USA did something wrong doesn't mean you can do something less wrong than the USA and get away with it. it's exactly like saying well, I should be able to kill someone and not go to prison because you know there are people who torture others before they kill them and they get away with it. Also one should really keep a good will when speaking about the CCP because authoritarian regimes are usually very transparent and honest, not to mention that they care a lot when it comes to human rights. "Foreign student enjoying western campus culture doesn't mean they also get brainwashed endorse western foreign policy instead of their domestic ones. Especially when the gap in perspective is so antithetical." I think you don't have to be brainwashed, all you have to do is to respect and disagree without trying to intimidate others, maybe debate and bring evidence to support your claims, but trying to blindly intimidate someone who's been through hardships when they speak out is really the unethical part.
- dirtyid 4y ago
  >they can go back to China Why? PRC nationalist paid ~50K for the right to play campus idpol. US free to reduce enrollment of PRC students or academic exchanges. They're already shutting down Confucius Institutes. But if US wants to braindrain PRC talent, they're going to have to deal with the diasphora drama (like they do every other beefing groups), because they lost the soft power to convince PRC students CCP bad. >something less wrong Well within CCP framework, Sinicizing XJ is not so much less wrong as more right. It's not contextualized in western "human rights" preoccupation with negative rights, but ensuring positive rights by integrating restive minority into broader economic development so they wouldn't have to cling to destructive religious impulses. Enter reducation, poverty alleviation. Plus entire stopping terrorism thing. That's not even about morality, a government with state capacity to stop such things, will. Political suicide / lose legitimacy otherwise. >respect Some ideological chasms are so broad there's really no compromise or respect. You can't "respect" someone alleging your country is committing genocide when you firmly believe it's not. Nor will PRC students get the forum to host "genocide denial" debates on campus. In lieu of that, the response is to react to people whose position abursdly antithetically to theirs with incivility. Groups on campus and in broader society go full stupid over divisive idpol issues all the time, this is simply one that seperates PRC nationalists students with almost everyone else. Like how are they suppose to react when they paid 50k to goto a school that entertains, in their perspective, yellow peril. US/PRC drama means this issue gets much much traction vs other diasphora campus politics, even in places like HN. Chinese students have right to gelopolitical idpol over dumb shit.

logicchains 4y ago

>They don't mean for crimes they personally did not commit, but alleged "genocide" that the global political UN community majority states PRC did not commit. The "majority" of UN are poor countries on China's payroll; facts are not a matter of majority opinion. >And in fact the opposite position is true, to them PRC has found a relatively "humane" method of eliminating radical terrorism versus US bombing the shit out of the ME. So completely annihilating an ethnicity through sterilization and banning their cultural practices is more humane than indiscriminate bombing? In fifty years' time there'll still be an Iraq and Iraqi people, but if the current practices continue then in fifty years there'll barely be any Uighurs in China. Fortunately the Chinese people are beginning to see that what Xi did to poor Uighurs in Xinjiang, he can just as easily do for rich Hanzu in Shanghai. A taste of their own medicine, so to speak.

whimsicalism 4y ago
There is no annihilation of an ethnicity and Uyghur birth rates are still higher than Han.
- Gnob 4y ago
  Citation? besides CCP / China's govt sources please
dirtyid 4y ago
Facts are majority of poor country own more to west cumulative and have greater strategic support. Including near unanimous ME who depends on US security architecture. It costs nothing to defect from PRC but they still CHOOSE to endorse antiterrorisn because that's the most relevant lens. CCP money is stupid cope argument to deny countries with their own agency, again reflected in global south not giving a fuck about RU. They see through about liberal order propaganda. Most countries are much more suborn to US/west pressure but still collectively endorse PRC position becauce the leadership wants what PRC is selling, a securitization system that eliminates radicalism. >more humane than indiscriminate bombin Of course. In 50 years Iraq will likely still be a secretarian shithole that haven't fully recovered from US destruction. Meanwhile in the the past 7 years of XJ securitization alone, XJ infra has improved dramatically, and within a generation the kids will be properly sinicized to particpate in broader PRC society/economy. Of course there's still going to be Uyghurs in PRC in 50 years, for the sinmple reason that reducing recognized ethnics groups from 56 to 55 to look bad. They'll certainly have a relatively better existence than indigenous peoples in North America post cultural genocide. >rich Hanzu in Shanghai Meanwhile majority of PRC not hard locked down thinks it's was overdue for shanghai to get a taste of the XJ medicine for trying to deviate from zero covid in the first place. Did we forget Wuhan bitterness subsided in relatively short time when they realized how fucked the rest of world handled covid. Right now that's seeing the shitshow of living with covid on TW with their "fancy" mRNA vax.

Gnob 4y ago

It's really as simple as, they can go back to China if they want to disrespect the hosting culture with no proof or evidence to support their claims, just taunt and probably mob or bully others who've been probably through horrors caused by the very good CCP, then play the victim card. If the USA did something wrong doesn't mean you can do something less wrong than the USA and get away with it. it's exactly like saying well, I should be able to kill someone and not go to prison because you know there are people who torture others before they kill them and they get away with it. Also one should really keep a good will when speaking about the CCP because authoritarian regimes are usually very transparent and honest, not to mention that they care a lot when it comes to human rights. "Foreign student enjoying western campus culture doesn't mean they also get brainwashed endorse western foreign policy instead of their domestic ones. Especially when the gap in perspective is so antithetical." I think you don't have to be brainwashed, all you have to do is to respect and disagree without trying to intimidate others, maybe debate and bring evidence to support your claims, but trying to blindly intimidate someone who's been through hardships when they speak out is really the unethical part.

dirtyid 4y ago
>they can go back to China Why? PRC nationalist paid ~50K for the right to play campus idpol. US free to reduce enrollment of PRC students or academic exchanges. They're already shutting down Confucius Institutes. But if US wants to braindrain PRC talent, they're going to have to deal with the diasphora drama (like they do every other beefing groups), because they lost the soft power to convince PRC students CCP bad. >something less wrong Well within CCP framework, Sinicizing XJ is not so much less wrong as more right. It's not contextualized in western "human rights" preoccupation with negative rights, but ensuring positive rights by integrating restive minority into broader economic development so they wouldn't have to cling to destructive religious impulses. Enter reducation, poverty alleviation. Plus entire stopping terrorism thing. That's not even about morality, a government with state capacity to stop such things, will. Political suicide / lose legitimacy otherwise. >respect Some ideological chasms are so broad there's really no compromise or respect. You can't "respect" someone alleging your country is committing genocide when you firmly believe it's not. Nor will PRC students get the forum to host "genocide denial" debates on campus. In lieu of that, the response is to react to people whose position abursdly antithetically to theirs with incivility. Groups on campus and in broader society go full stupid over divisive idpol issues all the time, this is simply one that seperates PRC nationalists students with almost everyone else. Like how are they suppose to react when they paid 50k to goto a school that entertains, in their perspective, yellow peril. US/PRC drama means this issue gets much much traction vs other diasphora campus politics, even in places like HN. Chinese students have right to gelopolitical idpol over dumb shit.