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yes, a private company that has bought the information can just chose to share it for a fee with anybody it likes. Why would a judge be involved in that?

GekkePrutser 4y ago
Because it's not theirs to sell, data about a person should belong to that person. They should control who it's being shared with.
- yata69420 4y ago
  I'd be shocked if my cell phone contract said they couldn't sell my data. Why would they do that? I have plenty of options besides cell phones. I could have a landline, or get my ham license, or pen a letter! I'm just a subscriber to a private service, after all.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    Yeah I think this is the difference in view between EU and US in general :)
    - feet 4y ago
      As an american, I personally find it disgusting
  - froh 4y ago
    The potential for abuse of personal private data like location, movement profile, corelation with other movement profiles, etc, is so ginormous it blows my mind it's legal to keep the data for years, let alone to sell it to private companies. If that is true then that means there is no data privacy protection in the US?
    - yata69420 4y ago
      > If that is true then that means there is no data privacy protection in the US? There may be some very specific data privacy laws (like two-party consent states), but yeah, you should assume no data privacy protection in the US.
eternityforest 4y ago
The GDPR type laws seem to imply that information can't ever really be sold, since consent is always revokable, and can't be required as a condition of using the service. I have a bit of an issue with that, since one generally expects that they can license any data they own, and it makes things like model releases confusing. And the laws seem to define new private spaces that formerly didn't have expectation of privacy for most people. But perhaps it's necessary anyway to prevent even bigger issues. I can definitely see the problem with a cell company being able to sell data to someone's abusive stalker, even though in general I don't like censorship of observation, for the same reason I don't like ag-gag.
- froh 4y ago
  Well that's the idea that data that pertains to you, personally as individual human being, is and remind yours, to protect you from any intrusion. Cambridge Analytica Style desinformation targeting is just one option. Personal location and contact info can easily be used for criminal or political abuse.

GekkePrutser 4y ago

Because it's not theirs to sell, data about a person should belong to that person. They should control who it's being shared with.

yata69420 4y ago
I'd be shocked if my cell phone contract said they couldn't sell my data. Why would they do that? I have plenty of options besides cell phones. I could have a landline, or get my ham license, or pen a letter! I'm just a subscriber to a private service, after all.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Yeah I think this is the difference in view between EU and US in general :)
  - feet 4y ago
    As an american, I personally find it disgusting
- froh 4y ago
  The potential for abuse of personal private data like location, movement profile, corelation with other movement profiles, etc, is so ginormous it blows my mind it's legal to keep the data for years, let alone to sell it to private companies. If that is true then that means there is no data privacy protection in the US?
  - yata69420 4y ago
    > If that is true then that means there is no data privacy protection in the US? There may be some very specific data privacy laws (like two-party consent states), but yeah, you should assume no data privacy protection in the US.

eternityforest 4y ago

The GDPR type laws seem to imply that information can't ever really be sold, since consent is always revokable, and can't be required as a condition of using the service. I have a bit of an issue with that, since one generally expects that they can license any data they own, and it makes things like model releases confusing. And the laws seem to define new private spaces that formerly didn't have expectation of privacy for most people. But perhaps it's necessary anyway to prevent even bigger issues. I can definitely see the problem with a cell company being able to sell data to someone's abusive stalker, even though in general I don't like censorship of observation, for the same reason I don't like ag-gag.

froh 4y ago
Well that's the idea that data that pertains to you, personally as individual human being, is and remind yours, to protect you from any intrusion. Cambridge Analytica Style desinformation targeting is just one option. Personal location and contact info can easily be used for criminal or political abuse.