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>> it should be state-owned and state-managed (see the network of roads ...) Where I live, the 'roads' are owned by each individual property owner with an ease

>> it should be state-owned and state-managed (see the network of roads ...) Where I live, the 'roads' are owned by each individual property owner with an easement to every other property owner in the town. Why would we want a group of government bureaucrats to literally own our roads?

lottin 4y ago
Because we don't want the road owner be able to demand extortionate fees to use their road?
- landemva 4y ago
  Every land owner has granted reciprocal easement to every other land owner in the town to use what looks like roads through the subdivisions but are actually part of each lot. We don't need government to do this because we use what works like contracts on property - reciprocal easements. In fact, if the town disbanded there would be no questions about who owns what. Oh, maybe you don't know how easements work?
  - lottin 4y ago
    No, I don't know how easements work. So, you need to sign a reciprocity agreement with the road owner before they let you use their road for free? What prevents road owners from charging extortionate fees to people who don't own roads themselves?
    - landemva 4y ago
      The easements stay with the land. A land purchaser who uses a competent title search firm will find these easements filed many years ago with county clerk and recorder. Literally it gets set up once. The easements are reciprocal to everyone else in the town. An interesting thing with this is that if a giant company wants to drive around, take pictures of everything, and then monetize those pictures (G's street view), they would be trespassing. Nobody (but my neighbors, rarely and just for short time) parks cars in front of my house because it is private property. No need to ask a government road owner to pass ordinance to restrict parking of RVs, and put up no parking signs, and have police write tickets ... it's private property and a call to towing company gets it removed from my property. In practice, everybody is polite and friendly.
      - lottin 4y ago
        So the roads are privately-owned and the owners can charge road users anything they want. Such a system is only in the interest of the road owners, since they have monopoly power. Everybody else loses.
        landemva 4y ago
        Nobody but Google monetizing street view is losing, or even grumbling about any problems. Everyone in town has reciprocal easement to/from all the other landowners to use the strip of private property that looks like a road. I am curious how anyone other than maybe Google street view is losing. Who do you think is losing? Who is there to charge, as the people using the roads live there and have the easement for use. A huge positive is that I don't need a stupid license plate or even a license to travel around in a car or on my dirt bike. It's private property and the government rules only apply on government roads.
        lottin 4y ago
        Everybody loses because there aren't multiple road networks competing to provide access to the same places. There is just one network, right? This means the it's a monopolistic market, and in a monopolistic market everybody loses except the monopolist. In a small town privately-owned roads can work because there aren't many outsiders using the roads, therefore the road owners are themselves the main road users, and so they may have the right incentives to do adequate road maintenance, and they don't charge anything because they have a reciprocal agreement, but a large road network that is privately owned would lead to a "monopoly equilibrium" where roads would be poorly maintained and road users would be charged high fees.
dolmen 4y ago
Because we want road to be a maintained regularly and at once (a patchwork is not convenient to drive) and not depending on the will or the means of the owner of each piece.
- landemva 4y ago
  We have the town maintain everything through taxes. The town serves us. If they ever attempt to stop maintenance, we will cut the taxes and make a committee or HOA for that. This really does work well with private ownership.

lottin 4y ago

Because we don't want the road owner be able to demand extortionate fees to use their road?

landemva 4y ago
Every land owner has granted reciprocal easement to every other land owner in the town to use what looks like roads through the subdivisions but are actually part of each lot. We don't need government to do this because we use what works like contracts on property - reciprocal easements. In fact, if the town disbanded there would be no questions about who owns what. Oh, maybe you don't know how easements work?
- lottin 4y ago
  No, I don't know how easements work. So, you need to sign a reciprocity agreement with the road owner before they let you use their road for free? What prevents road owners from charging extortionate fees to people who don't own roads themselves?
  - landemva 4y ago
    The easements stay with the land. A land purchaser who uses a competent title search firm will find these easements filed many years ago with county clerk and recorder. Literally it gets set up once. The easements are reciprocal to everyone else in the town. An interesting thing with this is that if a giant company wants to drive around, take pictures of everything, and then monetize those pictures (G's street view), they would be trespassing. Nobody (but my neighbors, rarely and just for short time) parks cars in front of my house because it is private property. No need to ask a government road owner to pass ordinance to restrict parking of RVs, and put up no parking signs, and have police write tickets ... it's private property and a call to towing company gets it removed from my property. In practice, everybody is polite and friendly.
    - lottin 4y ago
      So the roads are privately-owned and the owners can charge road users anything they want. Such a system is only in the interest of the road owners, since they have monopoly power. Everybody else loses.
      - landemva 4y ago
        Nobody but Google monetizing street view is losing, or even grumbling about any problems. Everyone in town has reciprocal easement to/from all the other landowners to use the strip of private property that looks like a road. I am curious how anyone other than maybe Google street view is losing. Who do you think is losing? Who is there to charge, as the people using the roads live there and have the easement for use. A huge positive is that I don't need a stupid license plate or even a license to travel around in a car or on my dirt bike. It's private property and the government rules only apply on government roads.
        lottin 4y ago
        Everybody loses because there aren't multiple road networks competing to provide access to the same places. There is just one network, right? This means the it's a monopolistic market, and in a monopolistic market everybody loses except the monopolist. In a small town privately-owned roads can work because there aren't many outsiders using the roads, therefore the road owners are themselves the main road users, and so they may have the right incentives to do adequate road maintenance, and they don't charge anything because they have a reciprocal agreement, but a large road network that is privately owned would lead to a "monopoly equilibrium" where roads would be poorly maintained and road users would be charged high fees.

dolmen 4y ago

Because we want road to be a maintained regularly and at once (a patchwork is not convenient to drive) and not depending on the will or the means of the owner of each piece.

landemva 4y ago
We have the town maintain everything through taxes. The town serves us. If they ever attempt to stop maintenance, we will cut the taxes and make a committee or HOA for that. This really does work well with private ownership.