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Geesh come on. Author is rather idealist. The #1 most important thing in research proposals is making good images. No one cares about the text as long as it fi

Geesh come on. Author is rather idealist. The #1 most important thing in research proposals is making good images. No one cares about the text as long as it fits the proper mold. But the images that concisely convey the novelty of the work are worth $$$. (Source: advisor and I had over 80% success rate in field that averaged <20% over 16 proposals).

gyulai 4y ago
> Author is rather idealist. Agreed. Two of these "most fundamental" questions you don't need to concern yourself with as a proposal writer: "What is the problem being tackled?" and "Why is the problem worth being tackled?" are the ones that have been decided for you as part of the call for proposals. At least that's how it works when asking for public money for research funding in most European research programmes. It's more like: Researcher: I want to spend the next 20 years continuing the work I have been doing for the past 20 years, please. Politician: Actually, I want to decide what it is you work on, and I decide based on what I can sell to the public. The public decides what's important to them based on what the mass media write about in a favourable light. The mass media have the attention span of a headless chicken on speed. So expect research priorities to be frequently changing and calls for proposals to not make any sense. So the system that has evolved around that is to make calls for proposals like "Improve citizen participation in paneuropean policy making through next-generation digital tooling." "Citizen participation" is the part of the bullshit bingo that the politician needs to argue that the research billions are well spent. "Next-generation digital tooling" is the part that is intentionally super-vague and is the part of the bullshit bingo that the researcher needs, so that he can attach whatever he has been working on for the past 20 years to this newly-minted agenda. So the job of the proposal writer is to weave the two narratives together: If you've been working on compression algorithms, tell a nice story about how citizens use mobile phones to call their representatives in Brussels, about how mobile phones use compression algorithms, and about how improved compression will therefore lead to improved citizen participation in paneuropean policy making. In the next cycle, the call for proposals might be "Sustainability 2030: Reducing the carbon footprint of the European digital infrastructure backbone". Go ahead and write about how every bit of a data packet requires electricity to process and about how improved compression will reduce the electricity consumption of digital infrastructures. Then: Ask yourself who will likely end up reviewing the proposal, and work in as many flattering citations of them as possible. You really don't need to demonstrate that any of it makes any scientific or economic sense. You just need to pick up on the language game that people in power are playing and demonstrate that you'll participate in it as a willing pawn. P.S.: When calls have low acceptance rates, the deciding factor is cronyism, not superior substance of a proposal or even superior proposal writing ability. Having the politically-favoured (i.e. quantitatively underrepresented) set of genetalia also helps.
- anjc 4y ago
  A call is a generic overarching theme, you of course still need to write a proposal which includes the research problem, motivation, and questions. It is sometimes asked to include implications for externalities such as public engagement, climate, equality, but if the call is about compiler design for example, you shouldn't make these central to your research. > When calls have low acceptance rates, the deciding factor is cronyism I don't see how it's possible that cronyism feeds into large public European calls that you mention
  - gyulai 4y ago
    > I don't see how it's possible that cronyism feeds into large public European calls that you mention I haven't directly witnessed it at the Brussels level, but certainly at national level in one European country, I have been a direct witness to how a public call for participation was put out for which it was well known in advance who would get the funding. -- If you want to make the case that Brussels is less corrupt than national governments, be my guest. All you need is a bit of "procurement process theater". Put N focus areas into your call, corresponding to the N institutions you want to give the money to, and describe them in just the right amount of specificity. Add to that requirements like "to be eligible, an institution must have been in business for X years and have at least Y number of employees" to increase the status-quo bias. In one instance I happened to be around such an institution in a year where the administration screwed up and didn't manage to put the call out in time. So an institution with something like 50 employees that was totally dependent on the funding would have had to close its doors for a year and reopen a year later after the next funding decision was through. Basically what happened was that the director of the institution went to his crony in politics and said "Hey you screwed up. We need that money, and we need it now." And the politician just kind of went "okay, here, have some money". Apparently he found some taxpayer money in some couch cushion or something to make a bridge loan to the institution against what was basically the certainty that they were going to be awarded the proper amount of money through the proper channels in the upcoming funding decision. I really think that this exposed the whole science funding system for the emperor with no clothes that it truly is.
rscho 4y ago
That, and good English writing.
mturmon 4y ago
I invite you to send a proposal to NSF, NASA, NIH, or DARPA with arbitrary text ("No one cares about the text as long as it fits the proper mold") and excellent images. Your proposal will be judged non-compliant and will never even get to the panel. Why write obviously false comments like this?

gyulai 4y ago

> Author is rather idealist. Agreed. Two of these "most fundamental" questions you don't need to concern yourself with as a proposal writer: "What is the problem being tackled?" and "Why is the problem worth being tackled?" are the ones that have been decided for you as part of the call for proposals. At least that's how it works when asking for public money for research funding in most European research programmes. It's more like: Researcher: I want to spend the next 20 years continuing the work I have been doing for the past 20 years, please. Politician: Actually, I want to decide what it is you work on, and I decide based on what I can sell to the public. The public decides what's important to them based on what the mass media write about in a favourable light. The mass media have the attention span of a headless chicken on speed. So expect research priorities to be frequently changing and calls for proposals to not make any sense. So the system that has evolved around that is to make calls for proposals like "Improve citizen participation in paneuropean policy making through next-generation digital tooling." "Citizen participation" is the part of the bullshit bingo that the politician needs to argue that the research billions are well spent. "Next-generation digital tooling" is the part that is intentionally super-vague and is the part of the bullshit bingo that the researcher needs, so that he can attach whatever he has been working on for the past 20 years to this newly-minted agenda. So the job of the proposal writer is to weave the two narratives together: If you've been working on compression algorithms, tell a nice story about how citizens use mobile phones to call their representatives in Brussels, about how mobile phones use compression algorithms, and about how improved compression will therefore lead to improved citizen participation in paneuropean policy making. In the next cycle, the call for proposals might be "Sustainability 2030: Reducing the carbon footprint of the European digital infrastructure backbone". Go ahead and write about how every bit of a data packet requires electricity to process and about how improved compression will reduce the electricity consumption of digital infrastructures. Then: Ask yourself who will likely end up reviewing the proposal, and work in as many flattering citations of them as possible. You really don't need to demonstrate that any of it makes any scientific or economic sense. You just need to pick up on the language game that people in power are playing and demonstrate that you'll participate in it as a willing pawn. P.S.: When calls have low acceptance rates, the deciding factor is cronyism, not superior substance of a proposal or even superior proposal writing ability. Having the politically-favoured (i.e. quantitatively underrepresented) set of genetalia also helps.

anjc 4y ago
A call is a generic overarching theme, you of course still need to write a proposal which includes the research problem, motivation, and questions. It is sometimes asked to include implications for externalities such as public engagement, climate, equality, but if the call is about compiler design for example, you shouldn't make these central to your research. > When calls have low acceptance rates, the deciding factor is cronyism I don't see how it's possible that cronyism feeds into large public European calls that you mention
- gyulai 4y ago
  > I don't see how it's possible that cronyism feeds into large public European calls that you mention I haven't directly witnessed it at the Brussels level, but certainly at national level in one European country, I have been a direct witness to how a public call for participation was put out for which it was well known in advance who would get the funding. -- If you want to make the case that Brussels is less corrupt than national governments, be my guest. All you need is a bit of "procurement process theater". Put N focus areas into your call, corresponding to the N institutions you want to give the money to, and describe them in just the right amount of specificity. Add to that requirements like "to be eligible, an institution must have been in business for X years and have at least Y number of employees" to increase the status-quo bias. In one instance I happened to be around such an institution in a year where the administration screwed up and didn't manage to put the call out in time. So an institution with something like 50 employees that was totally dependent on the funding would have had to close its doors for a year and reopen a year later after the next funding decision was through. Basically what happened was that the director of the institution went to his crony in politics and said "Hey you screwed up. We need that money, and we need it now." And the politician just kind of went "okay, here, have some money". Apparently he found some taxpayer money in some couch cushion or something to make a bridge loan to the institution against what was basically the certainty that they were going to be awarded the proper amount of money through the proper channels in the upcoming funding decision. I really think that this exposed the whole science funding system for the emperor with no clothes that it truly is.

rscho 4y ago

That, and good English writing.

mturmon 4y ago

I invite you to send a proposal to NSF, NASA, NIH, or DARPA with arbitrary text ("No one cares about the text as long as it fits the proper mold") and excellent images. Your proposal will be judged non-compliant and will never even get to the panel. Why write obviously false comments like this?