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Maybe if so many intelligent people believe in it... There's really something worth it, perhaps?

by can16358p 4y ago

WJW 4y ago
In this case there are intelligent people on both sides though. Who can say which side is correct?
- duped 4y ago
  I think the same of intelligent people in the blockchain space the same that I think of intelligent people that have joined cults. Either they're in on the scam or a victim of their own naïveté and/or ignorance. Being smart isn't an indicator of correctness.
- thebean11 4y ago
  Like most things, it's pretty obviously not black and white.
halestock 4y ago
I think the real lesson to be learned here is that it's extremely possible for a bunch of really smart people to completely miss the mark.
- m12k 4y ago
  If there's one thing Dungeons and Dragons has taught me, it's that intelligence and wisdom are two completely different stats.
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    And INT is basically irrelevant outside of niche wizardy whereas nobody should be dumping wisdom.
lostgame 4y ago
There were and are a surprising number of people such as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who studied and practiced an actual thing called ‘Magick’. I have yet to see any honest-to-God evidence of such a thing. Just because whom you believe may be credible people might back something up doesn’t give it value. It’s value does.
kareemsabri 4y ago
Intelligent, pro-blockchain people should be relatively easily able to explain the value and utility provided by it though. It shouldn't be necessary to say "I'm intelligent and I think this is good".
- jacobsenscott 4y ago
  Blockchain is a super simple data structure. So any bc product with a incomprehensible buzzwordy description is fraud.
- can16358p 4y ago
  Even I can name a few: uncensorable payments (especially important as I'm from an extremely corrupted country where we can't use PayPal), also super quick payments (donated to Ukrania during war ar Sunday night < 30 secs), moving the ownership of items to a decentralized system (e.g. NFTs as trading cards), smart contracts (lock your tokens and you're guaranteed, by code, that something happens like being paid an interest at some time/logic trigger). While some of those can also be implemented non-blockchain too, decentralization and having everything public and distributed is the key here. I can have my trading cards on a privately owned server too, for sure, then I'm bound to them not banning me, not crashing and losing my data, not going bankrupt, not changing the rules of the game etc. And as a bonus everyone can come and say "hey if you have this card you can play this other game I made" which empowers creative freedom. Eventhough I consider myself above average, I'm sure there are smarter and more creative people that can come up with more use cases by time. Just like the Internet evolved to what it is over decades, crypto space also will. We're in the "animated gifs, visitor counts, and unskippable huge flash intros" era of the crypto space.
  - kareemsabri 4y ago
    With your last sentence, I think you're conflating the utility of blockchains as implemented today with the potential of the technology that has yet to be realized. I'm not asking for someone to point me to an incredible crypto project that exists today, but rather to explain why they think a decentralized, low-trust consensus protocol will change the world as we know it. Like, what are the killer use cases. If what you're saying is (like the early internet) we don't know what they are yet but expect it will be transformational in the long term, that's fine, but that's not really what people are saying. Regarding your use cases. > uncensorable payments would your corrupt country not eventually catch up by regulating the ability to convert your BTC into fiat to buy things, or do you anticipate doing all your payments on the blockchain and never converting to fiat? > also super quick payments (donated to Ukrania during war ar Sunday night < 30 secs) a global payment system does seem very useful, assuming the currency is stable; not justified to the current hype though > moving the ownership of items to a decentralized system (e.g. NFTs as trading cards) I have failed to understand this one. If you own NFT 1 on Blockchain X, how do you enforce your ownership rights in the real world if someone else chooses not to acknowledge the authority of this decentralized system? If it's a real world asset, and I steal it from you, who do you appeal to? If it's a digital asset, and I copy and use it, who do you appeal to? Or is the utility here people who all buy into and respect the authority of this chain's ownership ledger being able to trade these things within that ecosystem? > smart contracts (lock your tokens and you're guaranteed, by code, that something happens like being paid an interest at some time/logic trigger) I haven't found this one that compelling, but maybe I'm missing something. Code isn't immutable, so what's to stop my "smart contract" from changing? I may be unaware of some guarantees that the blockchain provides that the code itself is also immutable.
kristianc 4y ago
The more intelligent people are, the easier they find it to rationalise their own decisions.
honkler 4y ago
midwits belive in blockchain

Maybe if so many intelligent people believe in it... There's really something worth it, perhaps?

WJW 4y ago

In this case there are intelligent people on both sides though. Who can say which side is correct?

duped 4y ago
I think the same of intelligent people in the blockchain space the same that I think of intelligent people that have joined cults. Either they're in on the scam or a victim of their own naïveté and/or ignorance. Being smart isn't an indicator of correctness.
thebean11 4y ago
Like most things, it's pretty obviously not black and white.

halestock 4y ago

I think the real lesson to be learned here is that it's extremely possible for a bunch of really smart people to completely miss the mark.

m12k 4y ago
If there's one thing Dungeons and Dragons has taught me, it's that intelligence and wisdom are two completely different stats.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  And INT is basically irrelevant outside of niche wizardy whereas nobody should be dumping wisdom.

lostgame 4y ago

There were and are a surprising number of people such as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who studied and practiced an actual thing called ‘Magick’. I have yet to see any honest-to-God evidence of such a thing. Just because whom you believe may be credible people might back something up doesn’t give it value. It’s value does.

kareemsabri 4y ago

Intelligent, pro-blockchain people should be relatively easily able to explain the value and utility provided by it though. It shouldn't be necessary to say "I'm intelligent and I think this is good".

jacobsenscott 4y ago
Blockchain is a super simple data structure. So any bc product with a incomprehensible buzzwordy description is fraud.
can16358p 4y ago
Even I can name a few: uncensorable payments (especially important as I'm from an extremely corrupted country where we can't use PayPal), also super quick payments (donated to Ukrania during war ar Sunday night < 30 secs), moving the ownership of items to a decentralized system (e.g. NFTs as trading cards), smart contracts (lock your tokens and you're guaranteed, by code, that something happens like being paid an interest at some time/logic trigger). While some of those can also be implemented non-blockchain too, decentralization and having everything public and distributed is the key here. I can have my trading cards on a privately owned server too, for sure, then I'm bound to them not banning me, not crashing and losing my data, not going bankrupt, not changing the rules of the game etc. And as a bonus everyone can come and say "hey if you have this card you can play this other game I made" which empowers creative freedom. Eventhough I consider myself above average, I'm sure there are smarter and more creative people that can come up with more use cases by time. Just like the Internet evolved to what it is over decades, crypto space also will. We're in the "animated gifs, visitor counts, and unskippable huge flash intros" era of the crypto space.
- kareemsabri 4y ago
  With your last sentence, I think you're conflating the utility of blockchains as implemented today with the potential of the technology that has yet to be realized. I'm not asking for someone to point me to an incredible crypto project that exists today, but rather to explain why they think a decentralized, low-trust consensus protocol will change the world as we know it. Like, what are the killer use cases. If what you're saying is (like the early internet) we don't know what they are yet but expect it will be transformational in the long term, that's fine, but that's not really what people are saying. Regarding your use cases. > uncensorable payments would your corrupt country not eventually catch up by regulating the ability to convert your BTC into fiat to buy things, or do you anticipate doing all your payments on the blockchain and never converting to fiat? > also super quick payments (donated to Ukrania during war ar Sunday night < 30 secs) a global payment system does seem very useful, assuming the currency is stable; not justified to the current hype though > moving the ownership of items to a decentralized system (e.g. NFTs as trading cards) I have failed to understand this one. If you own NFT 1 on Blockchain X, how do you enforce your ownership rights in the real world if someone else chooses not to acknowledge the authority of this decentralized system? If it's a real world asset, and I steal it from you, who do you appeal to? If it's a digital asset, and I copy and use it, who do you appeal to? Or is the utility here people who all buy into and respect the authority of this chain's ownership ledger being able to trade these things within that ecosystem? > smart contracts (lock your tokens and you're guaranteed, by code, that something happens like being paid an interest at some time/logic trigger) I haven't found this one that compelling, but maybe I'm missing something. Code isn't immutable, so what's to stop my "smart contract" from changing? I may be unaware of some guarantees that the blockchain provides that the code itself is also immutable.

kristianc 4y ago

The more intelligent people are, the easier they find it to rationalise their own decisions.

honkler 4y ago

midwits belive in blockchain