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>At least one in five children falls victim to sexual violence during childhood 3 . A 2021 global study found that more than one in three respondents had been a

>At least one in five children falls victim to sexual violence during childhood 3 . A 2021 global study found that more than one in three respondents had been asked to do something sexually explicit online during their childhood, and over half had experienced a form of child sexual abuse online 4 . Children with disabilities face an even higher risk of experiencing sexual violence: up to 68% of girls and 30% of boys with intellectual or developmental disabilities will be sexually abused before their 18th birthday 5 . That is absolutely shocking.

zdragnar 4y ago
> had been asked to do something sexually explicit online Is it? I'm pretty sure another teen / boyfriend / girlfriend asking for a topless or nude picture would count here, unless I'm missing something. It doesn't seem like it would be uncommon at all. The 1/5 being victim to sexual violence does surprise, though.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  - Arrath 4y ago
    > I wouldn't be surprised if, under EU law, a griefer in a video game who tells you to "Go fuck yourself!" isn't guilty of "Asking someone to do something sexually online." Oh dear.
  - Minor49er 4y ago
    > I wouldn't be surprised if, under EU law, a griefer in a video game who tells you to "Go fuck yourself!" isn't guilty of "Asking someone to do something sexually online." I mean, we're not too far off from that in the West generally https://alphanews.org/wisconsin-school-district-accuses-students-of-sexual-harassment-for-not-using-classmates-preferred-pronouns/ https://alphanews.org/wisconsin-school-district-accuses-stud...
- mike_hock 4y ago
  Yes, and going into a public chatroom and being asked to "show boobs and vagina" by some rando certainly qualifies as "being asked for a sexual favor." This is how you manipulate statistics. There's shockingly high stats, and there's ludicrously high stats from another planet. 20% isn't just high. It's so high there's no way you were walking around without noticing. 98% of people have been attacked before their 30th birthday. Really. They've been shoved, slapped, called a slur, publicly called incompetent and/or had items ripped out of their hands.
  - SiempreViernes 4y ago
    > going into a public chatroom and being asked to "show boobs and vagina" by some rando certainly qualifies as "being asked for a sexual favor. ~ 70 % of the reported harms occurred via a private device, meaning it was highly targeted, the reported events are mainly not things happening in a public setting. For another happy stat you can for you to explain away, how about this: by age twelve, 6% of all girls have gotten sent sexually explicit content from someone they did not know. https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-childhood-exposure-to-online-sexual-harms-and-their-risk-factors-.pdf https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-ch...
    - corrral 4y ago
      > For another happy stat you can for you to explain away, how about this: by age twelve, 6% of all girls have gotten sent sexually explicit content from someone they did not know. Heh, hell, I'm a dude and quite a bit older but I've had this happen twice by accident (with me as the recipient, I mean). Wrong number I guess (it wasn't a phishing thing—I get shitloads of those, too).
    - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
      >By age twelve, 6% of all girls have gotten sent sexually explicit content from someone they did not know. Depending on the number of 12yo with email accounts and cell phones that wouldn't surprise me. Close to 100% of people have gotten an out of the blue sexually explicit text or email by someone meaning to send it to someone else.
- SiempreViernes 4y ago
  > I'm pretty sure another teen / boyfriend / girlfriend asking for a topless or nude picture would count here It only counts in the respondent reported that they were harmed by it.
Beaver117 4y ago
Does that imply a large portion of our population are pedophiles? That is disturbing.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  I'm not seeing that quote in the article, so it's hard to determine the methodology, but... 1. One pedophile may victimize many children. 2. There's a spectrum of victimization; that wording would seem to include things like being pressured to send nudes.
  - corrral 4y ago
    Victimized kids victimize other kids. Usually younger ones, and usually relatives. A lot. They don't all do it, of course, but many do. It's... all pretty disturbing.
  - SiempreViernes 4y ago
    Here's the study: https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-childhood-exposure-to-online-sexual-harms-and-their-risk-factors-.pdf https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-ch... Yeah, the overall 57 % figure is the total out of four possible harms targeting persons up to the age of 18. Because sending nudes to a nine year old is probably closer to what was meant with a paedophile, the following stats is probably a better starting point for putting a tighter upper limit: > Of the female respondents who received [sexually explicit] content from someone they did not know, 11% were under the age of nine and 21% were under the age of 12.
- marginalia_nu 4y ago
  You'd think pedophiles would probably find more than one victim during the course of their "career". Like even if they just go after one victim a year, that adds up.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  It doesn't. It implies only an upper bound. Teen on teen counts as sexual violence against children.
Taywee 4y ago
A number of things really jump out to me: * How are "sexual violence" and "childhood" actually defined here? * Most people who I know who were victims of sexual violence as children were victimized by other children around their own age, in person. Very often it was a sibling, cousin, or neighbor. I don't see automatic CSAM detection actually helping this statistic all that much. * "2021 global study found that more than one in three respondents had been asked to do something sexually explicit online during their childhood". Again, what defines "childhood"? When I was a teenager, I was having phone sex and video call sex with other people my own age. That would classify me as having been "asked to do something sexually explicit online" as well as being the other side of it. * People with disabilities are at a really high risk of victimization in a lot of different forms. This "Reasons for and objectives of the proposal" section conflates a really large number of things (Document is http://www.marinacastellaneta.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Proposal-for-a-Regulation-laying-down-rules-to-prevent-and-combat-child-sexual-abuse_en_0.pdf http://www.marinacastellaneta.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/202... ). It treats the following items as all being effectively the same thing with the same solutions: * Minors being sexually abused online. * Minors being sexually abused in person. * Minors being sexually abused by adults. * Minors being sexually abused by other minors. * Voluntary sexual activity between minors of the same age. * The victimization of disabled minors. It also abuses statistics by considering all sexual activity of minors to be effectively the same (16 year olds showing each other naked pictures of themselves being the same as prepubescents being abused sexually by adults) and using statistics that include real world abuse to justify digital surveillance that won't even help reduce a lot of those numbers because the crimes don't even happen digitally. Even if this was 100% effective at removing all CSAM from the entire internet, how effective is that expected to be at actually reducing childhood sexual abuse? I know abusers consume CSAM, but in the absence of CSAM, are people going to be less likely to actually abuse children? Are people who abuse children now going to stop, and is it going to somehow prevent new abusers from starting? I honestly don't know the answer to this, but I'm skeptical to the idea that this has anywhere near the benefit that the proponents think it does.
- SiempreViernes 4y ago
  > Again, what defines "childhood"? The normal way one, under the age of 18. They do provide stats about one happening to children at the age of nine though, if you only wanna count the really tiny ones as children. > I was having phone sex and video call sex with other people my own age The question is explicitly about being asked to do something they were uncomfortable with, a mutually consensual interaction wouldn't count in that survey. https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-childhood-exposure-to-online-sexual-harms-and-their-risk-factors-.pdf https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-ch...
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zdragnar 4y ago

> had been asked to do something sexually explicit online Is it? I'm pretty sure another teen / boyfriend / girlfriend asking for a topless or nude picture would count here, unless I'm missing something. It doesn't seem like it would be uncommon at all. The 1/5 being victim to sexual violence does surprise, though.

CamperBob2 4y ago
- Arrath 4y ago
  > I wouldn't be surprised if, under EU law, a griefer in a video game who tells you to "Go fuck yourself!" isn't guilty of "Asking someone to do something sexually online." Oh dear.
- Minor49er 4y ago
  > I wouldn't be surprised if, under EU law, a griefer in a video game who tells you to "Go fuck yourself!" isn't guilty of "Asking someone to do something sexually online." I mean, we're not too far off from that in the West generally https://alphanews.org/wisconsin-school-district-accuses-students-of-sexual-harassment-for-not-using-classmates-preferred-pronouns/ https://alphanews.org/wisconsin-school-district-accuses-stud...
mike_hock 4y ago
Yes, and going into a public chatroom and being asked to "show boobs and vagina" by some rando certainly qualifies as "being asked for a sexual favor." This is how you manipulate statistics. There's shockingly high stats, and there's ludicrously high stats from another planet. 20% isn't just high. It's so high there's no way you were walking around without noticing. 98% of people have been attacked before their 30th birthday. Really. They've been shoved, slapped, called a slur, publicly called incompetent and/or had items ripped out of their hands.
- SiempreViernes 4y ago
  > going into a public chatroom and being asked to "show boobs and vagina" by some rando certainly qualifies as "being asked for a sexual favor. ~ 70 % of the reported harms occurred via a private device, meaning it was highly targeted, the reported events are mainly not things happening in a public setting. For another happy stat you can for you to explain away, how about this: by age twelve, 6% of all girls have gotten sent sexually explicit content from someone they did not know. https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-childhood-exposure-to-online-sexual-harms-and-their-risk-factors-.pdf https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-ch...
  - corrral 4y ago
    > For another happy stat you can for you to explain away, how about this: by age twelve, 6% of all girls have gotten sent sexually explicit content from someone they did not know. Heh, hell, I'm a dude and quite a bit older but I've had this happen twice by accident (with me as the recipient, I mean). Wrong number I guess (it wasn't a phishing thing—I get shitloads of those, too).
  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    >By age twelve, 6% of all girls have gotten sent sexually explicit content from someone they did not know. Depending on the number of 12yo with email accounts and cell phones that wouldn't surprise me. Close to 100% of people have gotten an out of the blue sexually explicit text or email by someone meaning to send it to someone else.
SiempreViernes 4y ago
> I'm pretty sure another teen / boyfriend / girlfriend asking for a topless or nude picture would count here It only counts in the respondent reported that they were harmed by it.

Beaver117 4y ago

Does that imply a large portion of our population are pedophiles? That is disturbing.

ceejayoz 4y ago
I'm not seeing that quote in the article, so it's hard to determine the methodology, but... 1. One pedophile may victimize many children. 2. There's a spectrum of victimization; that wording would seem to include things like being pressured to send nudes.
- corrral 4y ago
  Victimized kids victimize other kids. Usually younger ones, and usually relatives. A lot. They don't all do it, of course, but many do. It's... all pretty disturbing.
- SiempreViernes 4y ago
  Here's the study: https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-childhood-exposure-to-online-sexual-harms-and-their-risk-factors-.pdf https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-ch... Yeah, the overall 57 % figure is the total out of four possible harms targeting persons up to the age of 18. Because sending nudes to a nine year old is probably closer to what was meant with a paedophile, the following stats is probably a better starting point for putting a tighter upper limit: > Of the female respondents who received [sexually explicit] content from someone they did not know, 11% were under the age of nine and 21% were under the age of 12.
marginalia_nu 4y ago
You'd think pedophiles would probably find more than one victim during the course of their "career". Like even if they just go after one victim a year, that adds up.
BlargMcLarg 4y ago
It doesn't. It implies only an upper bound. Teen on teen counts as sexual violence against children.

Taywee 4y ago

A number of things really jump out to me: * How are "sexual violence" and "childhood" actually defined here? * Most people who I know who were victims of sexual violence as children were victimized by other children around their own age, in person. Very often it was a sibling, cousin, or neighbor. I don't see automatic CSAM detection actually helping this statistic all that much. * "2021 global study found that more than one in three respondents had been asked to do something sexually explicit online during their childhood". Again, what defines "childhood"? When I was a teenager, I was having phone sex and video call sex with other people my own age. That would classify me as having been "asked to do something sexually explicit online" as well as being the other side of it. * People with disabilities are at a really high risk of victimization in a lot of different forms. This "Reasons for and objectives of the proposal" section conflates a really large number of things (Document is http://www.marinacastellaneta.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Proposal-for-a-Regulation-laying-down-rules-to-prevent-and-combat-child-sexual-abuse_en_0.pdf http://www.marinacastellaneta.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/202... ). It treats the following items as all being effectively the same thing with the same solutions: * Minors being sexually abused online. * Minors being sexually abused in person. * Minors being sexually abused by adults. * Minors being sexually abused by other minors. * Voluntary sexual activity between minors of the same age. * The victimization of disabled minors. It also abuses statistics by considering all sexual activity of minors to be effectively the same (16 year olds showing each other naked pictures of themselves being the same as prepubescents being abused sexually by adults) and using statistics that include real world abuse to justify digital surveillance that won't even help reduce a lot of those numbers because the crimes don't even happen digitally. Even if this was 100% effective at removing all CSAM from the entire internet, how effective is that expected to be at actually reducing childhood sexual abuse? I know abusers consume CSAM, but in the absence of CSAM, are people going to be less likely to actually abuse children? Are people who abuse children now going to stop, and is it going to somehow prevent new abusers from starting? I honestly don't know the answer to this, but I'm skeptical to the idea that this has anywhere near the benefit that the proponents think it does.

SiempreViernes 4y ago
> Again, what defines "childhood"? The normal way one, under the age of 18. They do provide stats about one happening to children at the age of nine though, if you only wanna count the really tiny ones as children. > I was having phone sex and video call sex with other people my own age The question is explicitly about being asked to do something they were uncomfortable with, a mutually consensual interaction wouldn't count in that survey. https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-childhood-exposure-to-online-sexual-harms-and-their-risk-factors-.pdf https://www.weprotect.org/wp-content/uploads/Estimates-of-ch...

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