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The main problem of Linux on desktop is a severe lack of quality control and questionable usability pushed by people not using desktop and running mainly CLI. T

by Yizahi 4y ago

The main problem of Linux on desktop is a severe lack of quality control and questionable usability pushed by people not using desktop and running mainly CLI. The issues addressed on desktops are not in correct priority, you should not polish "happy path" in the generalized public system. Corporation can easily work with "happy path"-only software because they can afford to train personnel, and they can afford to fix mistakes in systemic way. Generalized public system should not polish what is mostly working. It should eliminate low occurrence catastrophic failures, because when scaled to ten of millions those low probability failures tend to multiply a lot. That's why I use console Linux every work day and enjoy it, and that's why I wouldn't touch Linux on a desktop with ten foot pole, because all my experiments in that area failed sooner or later. Also (surprise) shell Linux knowledge almost doesn't scale to the debugging GPU drivers, DE and X server issues. This is actually rather disconcerting feeling, when you have a decade of Linux experience but you look at crashing desktop GUI and understand that you have approximately as much understanding of the problem as a first time user.

shiryel 4y ago
> Also (surprise) shell Linux knowledge almost doesn't scale to the debugging GPU drivers, DE and X server issues. You will be surprised on how much Wayland solved those issues. At least, in my experience, understanding why Sway crashed is a debug flag away. Unfortunately, Wayland is a double edge sword, even more if you want to run games with multiple monitors (but that is a pain even on Windows in my experience).
Yizahi 4y ago
Also I want to add a somewhat representative anecdote story. Preface - my corp issues same laptops to all engineers, including developers actually writing code. Codebase is 100% for Linux, we don't need write anything Windows related. Developers have complete freedom at what to use as a host system on the laptop, there are some guides to help set up host Linux, there are people who already did it and can give advise. Around half of them just opt to host Windows 10 and run all their tools in the Linux virtual machine. That's a group of people who are second in world most suited to run Linux - actual Linux application devs. (first group would be Linux admins I think)
323 4y ago
Exactly this. I remember when I upgraded Ubuntu 14 to Ubuntu 16 and the GUI stopped working and was dumped to the command line. Luckily I had a Linux guru around to fix it, because otherwise my only alternative would have been to reinstall it - seeing how many esoteric steps he did to debug and fix it there is no way I could have googled my way out of it.
- HKH2 4y ago
  System upgrades are much more boring these days on Ubuntu.

by Yizahi 4y ago

shiryel 4y ago

> Also (surprise) shell Linux knowledge almost doesn't scale to the debugging GPU drivers, DE and X server issues. You will be surprised on how much Wayland solved those issues. At least, in my experience, understanding why Sway crashed is a debug flag away. Unfortunately, Wayland is a double edge sword, even more if you want to run games with multiple monitors (but that is a pain even on Windows in my experience).

Yizahi 4y ago

Also I want to add a somewhat representative anecdote story. Preface - my corp issues same laptops to all engineers, including developers actually writing code. Codebase is 100% for Linux, we don't need write anything Windows related. Developers have complete freedom at what to use as a host system on the laptop, there are some guides to help set up host Linux, there are people who already did it and can give advise. Around half of them just opt to host Windows 10 and run all their tools in the Linux virtual machine. That's a group of people who are second in world most suited to run Linux - actual Linux application devs. (first group would be Linux admins I think)

323 4y ago

Exactly this. I remember when I upgraded Ubuntu 14 to Ubuntu 16 and the GUI stopped working and was dumped to the command line. Luckily I had a Linux guru around to fix it, because otherwise my only alternative would have been to reinstall it - seeing how many esoteric steps he did to debug and fix it there is no way I could have googled my way out of it.

HKH2 4y ago
System upgrades are much more boring these days on Ubuntu.