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I hate it, which is why I don't use it. Ubuntu got the closest for me, but the owner's refusal to allow users to move that taskbar to the bottom of the screen

I hate it, which is why I don't use it. Ubuntu got the closest for me, but the owner's refusal to allow users to move that taskbar to the bottom of the screen made me give up on it altogether. And unless it's a supported distro, I don't want it. Been burned too many times by pet projects that end up being abandoned. The other thing is that in all my years of using Windows and MacOS, I have NEVER had an issue where an upgrade borked being able to log into the desktop. This has happened more times than I remember on Linux.

Gordonjcp 4y ago
> but the owner's refusal to allow users to move that taskbar to the bottom of the screen You're going to need to explain that one.
- corrral 4y ago
  Guessing it's about Unity. https://askubuntu.com/questions/360748/how-do-i-move-the-task-bar-back-to-the-bottom-where-it-belongs https://askubuntu.com/questions/360748/how-do-i-move-the-tas... "There is no way to move the 'task bar' to the bottom of the screen. You are out of luck."
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    Oh, the thing from ten years ago that hasn't existed for five, or something?
wing-_-nuts 4y ago
>the owner's refusal to allow users to move that taskbar to the bottom of the screen made me give up on it altogether. You ...do know there are countless desktop environments and window managers just an apt-get away right? If that's too much for you, you could have literally chosen any other flavor. My mother has been happily using xubuntu for years. If she can manage, I think you can too.
- sky-kedge0749 4y ago
  A while ago when I used Linux I found that installing some alternate desktop environment usually messed up some default even if you switched back. I don't remember exactly but it'd be like, you start on GNOME, install KDE, switch back to GNOME but now your file explorer is Dolphin. Has that happened to you? Is that still a problem?
  - corrral 4y ago
    On a lot of distros, many DEs or WMs do have worse defaults or weird glitches that other, blessed ones do not. The dice may come up in your favor more often than not, but you're still definitely rolling them when you move away from a distro's favored set-up. There's a reason alternate "spins" (distro derivates, whatever you want to call them, I think that's the Ubuntu term) exist, with different default DEs or WMs—just installing those packages on the base distro may not provide a great out-of-the-box experience. And yeah, the way settings work on Desktop Linux can lead to all kinds of weird stuff if you start actively using multiple environments. Should changing your keyboard layout in one DE affect all the others? Well, wait, which of multiple ways did you accomplish that change in keyboard layout? Should it affect bare terminals, outside the window server? Should some of those methods affect all of them, but other methods not? Which one "wins"? Was this other thing a DE setting, or an X-Window setting? Or neither? Or was it Wayland—wait a minute, some of these DEs run under Wayland and some under X-Window! Gee, surely that won't cause any settings conflicts or surprises.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  Hey, I have an idea! You can read the rest of what I posted instead of assuming I never did any of those things.
  - wing-_-nuts 4y ago
    Hey I have an idea, instead of responding with hostile snark why don't you quote the bits where you supposedly did those things? Here I'll quote your message, feel free to highlight anything you like: >I hate it, which is why I don't use it. Ubuntu got the closest for me, but the owner's refusal to allow users to move that taskbar to the bottom of the screen made me give up on it altogether. And unless it's a supported distro, I don't want it. Been burned too many times by pet projects that end up being abandoned. The other thing is that in all my years of using Windows and MacOS, I have NEVER had an issue where an upgrade borked being able to log into the desktop. This has happened more times than I remember on Linux.
timbit42 4y ago
It sounds like your Linux experience is pretty old. It may be worth your time to try again. Ubuntu has lost much of its favor. I'd suggest Linux Mint, which is much better than Ubuntu ever was. I personally prefer their XFCE desktop edition and wish they had a KDE desktop edition. Their Cinnamon desktop is too bland for me.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  I've used Mint. It wasn't a good experience. I like and use daily the command line version of Linux and despise the desktop version in all its various frankenstein's monster flavors. And for the record, I've been using desktop Linux off and on since before Slackware was released. I simply no longer have any interest in making yet another attempt at meeting my day to day needs with such terrible products. If I really wanted to use a Linux gui app that bad, I'd just dial it up in the Windows 11 hypervisor.

Gordonjcp 4y ago

> but the owner's refusal to allow users to move that taskbar to the bottom of the screen You're going to need to explain that one.

corrral 4y ago
Guessing it's about Unity. https://askubuntu.com/questions/360748/how-do-i-move-the-task-bar-back-to-the-bottom-where-it-belongs https://askubuntu.com/questions/360748/how-do-i-move-the-tas... "There is no way to move the 'task bar' to the bottom of the screen. You are out of luck."
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  Oh, the thing from ten years ago that hasn't existed for five, or something?

wing-_-nuts 4y ago

>the owner's refusal to allow users to move that taskbar to the bottom of the screen made me give up on it altogether. You ...do know there are countless desktop environments and window managers just an apt-get away right? If that's too much for you, you could have literally chosen any other flavor. My mother has been happily using xubuntu for years. If she can manage, I think you can too.

sky-kedge0749 4y ago
A while ago when I used Linux I found that installing some alternate desktop environment usually messed up some default even if you switched back. I don't remember exactly but it'd be like, you start on GNOME, install KDE, switch back to GNOME but now your file explorer is Dolphin. Has that happened to you? Is that still a problem?
- corrral 4y ago
  On a lot of distros, many DEs or WMs do have worse defaults or weird glitches that other, blessed ones do not. The dice may come up in your favor more often than not, but you're still definitely rolling them when you move away from a distro's favored set-up. There's a reason alternate "spins" (distro derivates, whatever you want to call them, I think that's the Ubuntu term) exist, with different default DEs or WMs—just installing those packages on the base distro may not provide a great out-of-the-box experience. And yeah, the way settings work on Desktop Linux can lead to all kinds of weird stuff if you start actively using multiple environments. Should changing your keyboard layout in one DE affect all the others? Well, wait, which of multiple ways did you accomplish that change in keyboard layout? Should it affect bare terminals, outside the window server? Should some of those methods affect all of them, but other methods not? Which one "wins"? Was this other thing a DE setting, or an X-Window setting? Or neither? Or was it Wayland—wait a minute, some of these DEs run under Wayland and some under X-Window! Gee, surely that won't cause any settings conflicts or surprises.
MisterBastahrd 4y ago
Hey, I have an idea! You can read the rest of what I posted instead of assuming I never did any of those things.
- wing-_-nuts 4y ago
  Hey I have an idea, instead of responding with hostile snark why don't you quote the bits where you supposedly did those things? Here I'll quote your message, feel free to highlight anything you like: >I hate it, which is why I don't use it. Ubuntu got the closest for me, but the owner's refusal to allow users to move that taskbar to the bottom of the screen made me give up on it altogether. And unless it's a supported distro, I don't want it. Been burned too many times by pet projects that end up being abandoned. The other thing is that in all my years of using Windows and MacOS, I have NEVER had an issue where an upgrade borked being able to log into the desktop. This has happened more times than I remember on Linux.

timbit42 4y ago

It sounds like your Linux experience is pretty old. It may be worth your time to try again. Ubuntu has lost much of its favor. I'd suggest Linux Mint, which is much better than Ubuntu ever was. I personally prefer their XFCE desktop edition and wish they had a KDE desktop edition. Their Cinnamon desktop is too bland for me.

MisterBastahrd 4y ago
I've used Mint. It wasn't a good experience. I like and use daily the command line version of Linux and despise the desktop version in all its various frankenstein's monster flavors. And for the record, I've been using desktop Linux off and on since before Slackware was released. I simply no longer have any interest in making yet another attempt at meeting my day to day needs with such terrible products. If I really wanted to use a Linux gui app that bad, I'd just dial it up in the Windows 11 hypervisor.