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Despite not being open source, I appreciate that Vivaldi lets you customize its UI and behavior to a reasonable degree. It's the closest thing we have a browser

Despite not being open source, I appreciate that Vivaldi lets you customize its UI and behavior to a reasonable degree. It's the closest thing we have a browser for power users, unlike Chrome and Firefox who actively remove useful options and features in an effort to cater to the lowest common denominator (passive content consumers). The built-in mail and calendar functionality looks very nice and I'm definitely interested in trying them out. The main thing I disliked about Vivaldi when I tried it last was that a lot of websites actively try to prevent automatic saving and filling of passwords, against all reasonable logic. Firefox is much better at skirting those efforts, Chrome-based browsers, not so much. Has Vivaldi improved in this regard lately? (Or is there an extension that can help with this?)

AlecSchueler 4y ago
In regards UI customisation is there anything like Pentadactyl?
axolotlgod 4y ago
Regarding the open source part, Jon has spoken about it on a podcast from last year[0][1]. Basically the only think keeping them from full open-source is the license which they think would make the company possibly fall to another competitor. It's hard being a small business, this makes sense to me. They actively encourage modding of the browser too. I'm not sure regarding the prevention of automatic saving/filling. I use Bitwarden and in my time using Vivaldi, I haven't had any issues, though maybe someone in the Vivaldi forums[2] would know? [0]: YouTube link: https://youtu.be/ivDiL9XeDw0?t=3410 https://youtu.be/ivDiL9XeDw0?t=3410 [1]: Podcast website: https://destinationlinux.org/episode-243/ https://destinationlinux.org/episode-243/ [2]: https://forum.vivaldi.net/ https://forum.vivaldi.net/
- jhasse 4y ago
  Why not use AGPL for the UI code?
  - bastawhiz 4y ago
    That doesn't stop someone from using your code to build a compelling competitor product. It just means you need to pay more lawyers to argue about whether the AGPL was violated or not and maybe win a lawsuit.
    - chess_buster 4y ago
      GitLab took libgit vom GitHub, didn't they?
    - rakoo 4y ago
      But the added value of the company is perfect execution of the idea, not juste the idea. The code being open source only means other people can try to be better, but it shouldn't be the number one issue.
forgotpwd16 4y ago
>Vivaldi lets you customize its UI But still nowhere close to userChrome.css that Firefos has. >The built-in mail and calendar functionality looks very nice But does having that functionality built-in rather as extensions offer any advantages?
- mynameismon 4y ago
  > But still nowhere close to userChrome.css that Firefos has. Dunno where are you getting that from, Vivaldi has official support for CSS Mods and unofficial support for JS Mods
stjohnswarts 4y ago
I would say use bitwarden rather than the built in password managers of these browsers, it does a pretty good job and you aren't tied to one browser.
- stereoradonc 4y ago
  Ditto! Set up keyboard shortcuts (or in some use case cases), I let Bitwarden fill up credentials automatically. Miles ahead of 1Password (and their toxic optimism)
- Barrin92 4y ago
  A security researcher made a strong case against this advice. Injection of privileged components into the browser sandbox as well as opening you up to a lot of IPC vulnerabilities. https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/passmgrs.html https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/passmgrs.html
  - rascul 4y ago
    Is that relevant to Bitwarden? At least the first vulnerability in the article does not appear to apply to Bitwarden for me here, I'm not currently able to test the other two.
    - Barrin92 4y ago
      if you use the browser extension and turn autofill on it applies to Bitwarden as well. If you use the desktop version or an alternative like Keepass, which Tavis suggests, it's not an issue.
      - rascul 4y ago
        Ahh that's it, I'm not using autofill.
am_lu 4y ago
I never had this problem. Using vivaldi full time, it remembers all the passwords (plus my home address and phone number for registering new accounts on shopping sites).
avgcorrection 4y ago
Of course they cater to those awful “passive content consumers”; they need their online bank much more than you need your tiling tabs.

AlecSchueler 4y ago

In regards UI customisation is there anything like Pentadactyl?

axolotlgod 4y ago

Regarding the open source part, Jon has spoken about it on a podcast from last year[0][1]. Basically the only think keeping them from full open-source is the license which they think would make the company possibly fall to another competitor. It's hard being a small business, this makes sense to me. They actively encourage modding of the browser too. I'm not sure regarding the prevention of automatic saving/filling. I use Bitwarden and in my time using Vivaldi, I haven't had any issues, though maybe someone in the Vivaldi forums[2] would know? [0]: YouTube link: https://youtu.be/ivDiL9XeDw0?t=3410 https://youtu.be/ivDiL9XeDw0?t=3410 [1]: Podcast website: https://destinationlinux.org/episode-243/ https://destinationlinux.org/episode-243/ [2]: https://forum.vivaldi.net/ https://forum.vivaldi.net/

jhasse 4y ago
Why not use AGPL for the UI code?
- bastawhiz 4y ago
  That doesn't stop someone from using your code to build a compelling competitor product. It just means you need to pay more lawyers to argue about whether the AGPL was violated or not and maybe win a lawsuit.
  - chess_buster 4y ago
    GitLab took libgit vom GitHub, didn't they?
  - rakoo 4y ago
    But the added value of the company is perfect execution of the idea, not juste the idea. The code being open source only means other people can try to be better, but it shouldn't be the number one issue.

forgotpwd16 4y ago

>Vivaldi lets you customize its UI But still nowhere close to userChrome.css that Firefos has. >The built-in mail and calendar functionality looks very nice But does having that functionality built-in rather as extensions offer any advantages?

mynameismon 4y ago
> But still nowhere close to userChrome.css that Firefos has. Dunno where are you getting that from, Vivaldi has official support for CSS Mods and unofficial support for JS Mods

stjohnswarts 4y ago

I would say use bitwarden rather than the built in password managers of these browsers, it does a pretty good job and you aren't tied to one browser.

stereoradonc 4y ago
Ditto! Set up keyboard shortcuts (or in some use case cases), I let Bitwarden fill up credentials automatically. Miles ahead of 1Password (and their toxic optimism)
Barrin92 4y ago
A security researcher made a strong case against this advice. Injection of privileged components into the browser sandbox as well as opening you up to a lot of IPC vulnerabilities. https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/passmgrs.html https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/passmgrs.html
- rascul 4y ago
  Is that relevant to Bitwarden? At least the first vulnerability in the article does not appear to apply to Bitwarden for me here, I'm not currently able to test the other two.
  - Barrin92 4y ago
    if you use the browser extension and turn autofill on it applies to Bitwarden as well. If you use the desktop version or an alternative like Keepass, which Tavis suggests, it's not an issue.
    - rascul 4y ago
      Ahh that's it, I'm not using autofill.

am_lu 4y ago

I never had this problem. Using vivaldi full time, it remembers all the passwords (plus my home address and phone number for registering new accounts on shopping sites).

avgcorrection 4y ago

Of course they cater to those awful “passive content consumers”; they need their online bank much more than you need your tiling tabs.