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I am talking about the technology. Yarvin's own writings indicate that Urbit was written to be that of a medieval castle, limited landed ownership (with 2^32 s

I am talking about the technology. Yarvin's own writings indicate that Urbit was written to be that of a medieval castle, limited landed ownership (with 2^32 stars) with the intent that new people would have to buy from these star-landlords. Those "political views" were encoded into the basis of Urbit at the deepest architectural levels. So again, saying to avoid "flamebait" is just a distractor from discussing the real issues with Urbit itself. The "politics and technology" are one in the same.

sph 4y ago
> Yarvin's own writings indicate that Urbit was written to be that of a medieval castle, limited landed ownership (with 2^32 stars) with the intent that new people would have to buy from these star-landlords. None of this fits the fascist political ideology. Let us discuss the merits and cons of a technology that promotes artificial scarcity (cough IPv4 cough). It's an interesting topic, but it's not what you were doing with your previous comment and you know that.
- noasaservice 4y ago
  Fine. Then perhaps a traditional journal article is more your liking: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0263276421999439 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/02632764219994... "It is difficult to know how best to approach this material analytically. As Gilroy (2019: 3) suggests, when discussing fascist ideas ‘there is always a danger that critics end up taking them more seriously than their adherents do’. It is also the case that much of the material with which we need to engage is located online and often in a form outwith the usual protocols and stylistics of the academy. The NRx political project is essentially ‘anti-egalitarian’, ‘anti-progressive’, and argues that ‘democracy is bust; rule by the people doesn’t work, and doesn’t lead to good governance’ (Gray, 2017)." I'm also looking at Francis Tseng, lead independent researcher of the Jain family Institute http://distributedweb.care/posts/who-owns-the-stars/ http://distributedweb.care/posts/who-owns-the-stars/ "However, given that Yarvin basically laid out the general design for Urbit independently, as he worked on it alone for 11 years and in parallel with his political writings, and that Urbit, as a P2P project, is a fundamentally social and thus incorporates ideas about how people should be organized, Yarvin’s politics should be considered as something that influences his design decisions and his long-term vision for the project. Dog-whistles have been identified in some of his writing about Urbit and its design, including his leaning on Nazi philosopher Carl Schmitt for questions around Urbit’s governance." Again, I'd argue that you're attacking a "decorum" argument, and not the actual content at hand.
nyolfen 4y ago
if you want an example of feudal property relations, look at facebook, twitter, or hn -- the landlord owns everything, we just borrow an account that they ultimately control. urbit allows you to own an identity that can never be taken from you. >(with 2^32 stars) the point of finite identities is to create cost and deter spam/bad actors, it's not in anybody's interest to artificially prevent some set of humans from using the network. see here https://urbit.org/faq#more-planets https://urbit.org/faq#more-planets

sph 4y ago

> Yarvin's own writings indicate that Urbit was written to be that of a medieval castle, limited landed ownership (with 2^32 stars) with the intent that new people would have to buy from these star-landlords. None of this fits the fascist political ideology. Let us discuss the merits and cons of a technology that promotes artificial scarcity (cough IPv4 cough). It's an interesting topic, but it's not what you were doing with your previous comment and you know that.

noasaservice 4y ago
Fine. Then perhaps a traditional journal article is more your liking: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0263276421999439 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/02632764219994... "It is difficult to know how best to approach this material analytically. As Gilroy (2019: 3) suggests, when discussing fascist ideas ‘there is always a danger that critics end up taking them more seriously than their adherents do’. It is also the case that much of the material with which we need to engage is located online and often in a form outwith the usual protocols and stylistics of the academy. The NRx political project is essentially ‘anti-egalitarian’, ‘anti-progressive’, and argues that ‘democracy is bust; rule by the people doesn’t work, and doesn’t lead to good governance’ (Gray, 2017)." I'm also looking at Francis Tseng, lead independent researcher of the Jain family Institute http://distributedweb.care/posts/who-owns-the-stars/ http://distributedweb.care/posts/who-owns-the-stars/ "However, given that Yarvin basically laid out the general design for Urbit independently, as he worked on it alone for 11 years and in parallel with his political writings, and that Urbit, as a P2P project, is a fundamentally social and thus incorporates ideas about how people should be organized, Yarvin’s politics should be considered as something that influences his design decisions and his long-term vision for the project. Dog-whistles have been identified in some of his writing about Urbit and its design, including his leaning on Nazi philosopher Carl Schmitt for questions around Urbit’s governance." Again, I'd argue that you're attacking a "decorum" argument, and not the actual content at hand.

nyolfen 4y ago

if you want an example of feudal property relations, look at facebook, twitter, or hn -- the landlord owns everything, we just borrow an account that they ultimately control. urbit allows you to own an identity that can never be taken from you. >(with 2^32 stars) the point of finite identities is to create cost and deter spam/bad actors, it's not in anybody's interest to artificially prevent some set of humans from using the network. see here https://urbit.org/faq#more-planets https://urbit.org/faq#more-planets