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Such as? Syncthing + NextCloud + rsnapshot backups would have been my open-source alternative recommendation, but of course not everyone wants to take the time

Such as? Syncthing + NextCloud + rsnapshot backups would have been my open-source alternative recommendation, but of course not everyone wants to take the time to learn that skillet, set that up, and maintain it.

jerf 4y ago
What does Syncthing add to the Nextcloud capabilities? (Honest question because I'm curious; I have a NextCloud & snapshot to encrypted S3 backup solution already.)
- NortySpock 4y ago
  I admit I have not used NextCloud, but the hands-off automatic file-sync-between-devices that Syncthing provides has been transparent and seamless. It has required no babysitting after initial set up. I have forgotten if NextCloud does this, because I don't use NextCloud at this time, nor have I.
turtledove 4y ago
Are those features of sftp? It cvs? Or the vps provider? Or are you saying, "well, with a completely different stack I can get closer to feature parity"?
- bayindirh 4y ago
  You can get the whole package from Hetzner pre-configured, or just configure it yourself. I manage our team's nextcloud installation, and installing on bare-metal (sans containers) is a half day job at most. Moreover Nextcloud supports WebDav which allows tools like Zotero to directly tap into that.
  - turtledove 4y ago
    Would you say that the install and maintenance load for both systems (Dropbox vs packages containers) is the same? Like, I'm confident my tech illiterate parents could get drop box running. Ease of use and UX are features. I'm not saying the self hosted stack is bad, and in fact it's probably better in many ways. But it doesn't have the same feature set if you consider usability a feature, imo.
    - bayindirh 4y ago
      Yes. Nextcloud has its own upgrade tool. This is what happens: 1. You get a mail from your installation about the new version. Also desktop and mobile apps notify you. 2. You go to your "Settings -> Overview" click a button, enter your password. Upgrade starts. 3. Wait some. 4. "Disable maintenance mode and continue upgrade" button appears. Click it. 5. You're greeted with a "Start upgrade" button. Click it. 6. Wait some. 7. Page refreshes and you continue where you left. No terminal, no commands, nothing. I sometimes do it in the middle of the day. Nobody ever said, "Hey, uh, Nextcloud down?" yet. Installation of the client is equally easy. You just need a URL addition to the username and password. The sync client is very competent too. Our installation is facing outside and people are sharing public links and all. Not every member of the team is a sysadmin either.

jerf 4y ago

What does Syncthing add to the Nextcloud capabilities? (Honest question because I'm curious; I have a NextCloud & snapshot to encrypted S3 backup solution already.)

NortySpock 4y ago
I admit I have not used NextCloud, but the hands-off automatic file-sync-between-devices that Syncthing provides has been transparent and seamless. It has required no babysitting after initial set up. I have forgotten if NextCloud does this, because I don't use NextCloud at this time, nor have I.

turtledove 4y ago

Are those features of sftp? It cvs? Or the vps provider? Or are you saying, "well, with a completely different stack I can get closer to feature parity"?

bayindirh 4y ago
You can get the whole package from Hetzner pre-configured, or just configure it yourself. I manage our team's nextcloud installation, and installing on bare-metal (sans containers) is a half day job at most. Moreover Nextcloud supports WebDav which allows tools like Zotero to directly tap into that.
- turtledove 4y ago
  Would you say that the install and maintenance load for both systems (Dropbox vs packages containers) is the same? Like, I'm confident my tech illiterate parents could get drop box running. Ease of use and UX are features. I'm not saying the self hosted stack is bad, and in fact it's probably better in many ways. But it doesn't have the same feature set if you consider usability a feature, imo.
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    Yes. Nextcloud has its own upgrade tool. This is what happens: 1. You get a mail from your installation about the new version. Also desktop and mobile apps notify you. 2. You go to your "Settings -> Overview" click a button, enter your password. Upgrade starts. 3. Wait some. 4. "Disable maintenance mode and continue upgrade" button appears. Click it. 5. You're greeted with a "Start upgrade" button. Click it. 6. Wait some. 7. Page refreshes and you continue where you left. No terminal, no commands, nothing. I sometimes do it in the middle of the day. Nobody ever said, "Hey, uh, Nextcloud down?" yet. Installation of the client is equally easy. You just need a URL addition to the username and password. The sync client is very competent too. Our installation is facing outside and people are sharing public links and all. Not every member of the team is a sysadmin either.