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I understand that they have Reasons, but it sucks that my Core i3 laptop with 1TB SSD and 24GB RAM is deemed "too old" to run Windows 11 (by one CPU generation)

by fruzz 4y ago

I understand that they have Reasons, but it sucks that my Core i3 laptop with 1TB SSD and 24GB RAM is deemed "too old" to run Windows 11 (by one CPU generation), when the current lineup of laptops at Best Buy have way worse specs.

_ea1k 4y ago
I noticed the same with an older i7 here. The requirements are nonsensical.
- LoveMortuus 4y ago
  I have i7-8700K but I'm using the legacy mode, meaning if I'd want to install Win11 I would have to format the entire computer, which for obvious reasons I'm unwilling to do. I think I'll probably be using Win10 for as long as I can and then switch to Linux. My laptops already run Linux (Debian :P) so I'm quite used to it. It still feels dumb not being able to just upgrade my computer to Win11... I'm running GTX 1080, CPU mentioned above, 16 GB of RAM... There really isn't any reason why I shouldn't be allowed to upgrade in such a way that I can keep all of my files... I'm guessing that Win10 will probably be sunset in about 5-10 years so I'm actually quite excited to see how far will Linux get by then!
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
I'm running Windows 11 on 11 year old hardware wihtout any TPM. I doubt you can't install it on your machine if you tried a clean install. The TPM things was mostly a showstopper if you upgraded from Windows 10 but easily bypassed via a clean install.
- pdenton 4y ago
  Linux always boots perfectly fine with TPM hardware support disabled, even when there actually is such a chip built in. The real showstopper would be if "SecureBoot" would be enforced. I hope it never actually happens for personal computers. Everything else in the consumer electronics business is pretty much a lost cause already.
  - tpxl 4y ago
    > The real showstopper would be if "SecureBoot" would be enforced. I hope it never actually happens for personal computers. Everything else in the consumer electronics business is pretty much a lost cause already. This is the end game. Widespread hardware and software support with default off, then default on, then always on. All to protect users from themselves of course.
    - belltaco 4y ago
      The so called "end game" is already here on mobile/tablets with iOS and most Android devices. And also Chromebooks. I have a Chromebook that got bricked because the TPM malfunctioned and there's no way to repair it without replacing the mainboard. Yet all these devices are credited with being more secure devices compared to PCs.
      - hulitu 4y ago
        > Yet all these devices are credited with being more secure devices compared to PCs. Yes. They are more secure for the manifacturer. Do you want to give this app access to your files ? To all your files. And it phones home. Encrypted so you cannot see.
      - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
        Security ≠ Privacy
    - westcort 4y ago
      Win 8 had a secure boot. It was tricky to get Linux working on that system. Right now, I am looking into repurposing an old thin client as a daily driver machine.
      - compsciphd 4y ago
        Dell's Wyse 5070 (and 5470 AIO with a passable for non professional graphics usage 24" display) thin clients are $100 (ebay or even dell outlet) machines that make great daily drivers. they aren't speed demons, but with a m.2 ssd stick and 8-16GB of ram, they are more than fast enough for every day use (my 5470 seemed to just stay at a 2.4ghz boost clock in a reasonably ACd room (and with just passive cooling to its cpu, no fan). So don't even need really old ones. they also make great plex servers, due to intel quicksync for transcoding videos.
lkxijlewlf 4y ago
Especially when we all know that some 90% of windows 11 is really windows 10, 7, XP, etc... underneath.
sdflhasjd 4y ago
That's an odd and unbalanced configuration. What do you use it for?
- kasabali 4y ago
  Too much Chrome tabs?
Markoff 4y ago
Why it sucks? They are doing you the service, you just don't realize it. Each new Windows upgrade brings more disadvantages/limitations than advantages. I'm using W10 and I guess that will be my last one, when I installed new OS on other laptop I went for 8.1, if I installed new OS on my main laptop I would probably go for W7 or at worst W8.1, those two were peak Windows, it's all downhill since then.

by fruzz 4y ago

_ea1k 4y ago

I noticed the same with an older i7 here. The requirements are nonsensical.

LoveMortuus 4y ago
I have i7-8700K but I'm using the legacy mode, meaning if I'd want to install Win11 I would have to format the entire computer, which for obvious reasons I'm unwilling to do. I think I'll probably be using Win10 for as long as I can and then switch to Linux. My laptops already run Linux (Debian :P) so I'm quite used to it. It still feels dumb not being able to just upgrade my computer to Win11... I'm running GTX 1080, CPU mentioned above, 16 GB of RAM... There really isn't any reason why I shouldn't be allowed to upgrade in such a way that I can keep all of my files... I'm guessing that Win10 will probably be sunset in about 5-10 years so I'm actually quite excited to see how far will Linux get by then!

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

I'm running Windows 11 on 11 year old hardware wihtout any TPM. I doubt you can't install it on your machine if you tried a clean install. The TPM things was mostly a showstopper if you upgraded from Windows 10 but easily bypassed via a clean install.

pdenton 4y ago
Linux always boots perfectly fine with TPM hardware support disabled, even when there actually is such a chip built in. The real showstopper would be if "SecureBoot" would be enforced. I hope it never actually happens for personal computers. Everything else in the consumer electronics business is pretty much a lost cause already.
- tpxl 4y ago
  > The real showstopper would be if "SecureBoot" would be enforced. I hope it never actually happens for personal computers. Everything else in the consumer electronics business is pretty much a lost cause already. This is the end game. Widespread hardware and software support with default off, then default on, then always on. All to protect users from themselves of course.
  - belltaco 4y ago
    The so called "end game" is already here on mobile/tablets with iOS and most Android devices. And also Chromebooks. I have a Chromebook that got bricked because the TPM malfunctioned and there's no way to repair it without replacing the mainboard. Yet all these devices are credited with being more secure devices compared to PCs.
    - hulitu 4y ago
      > Yet all these devices are credited with being more secure devices compared to PCs. Yes. They are more secure for the manifacturer. Do you want to give this app access to your files ? To all your files. And it phones home. Encrypted so you cannot see.
    - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
      Security ≠ Privacy
  - westcort 4y ago
    Win 8 had a secure boot. It was tricky to get Linux working on that system. Right now, I am looking into repurposing an old thin client as a daily driver machine.
    - compsciphd 4y ago
      Dell's Wyse 5070 (and 5470 AIO with a passable for non professional graphics usage 24" display) thin clients are $100 (ebay or even dell outlet) machines that make great daily drivers. they aren't speed demons, but with a m.2 ssd stick and 8-16GB of ram, they are more than fast enough for every day use (my 5470 seemed to just stay at a 2.4ghz boost clock in a reasonably ACd room (and with just passive cooling to its cpu, no fan). So don't even need really old ones. they also make great plex servers, due to intel quicksync for transcoding videos.

lkxijlewlf 4y ago

Especially when we all know that some 90% of windows 11 is really windows 10, 7, XP, etc... underneath.

sdflhasjd 4y ago

That's an odd and unbalanced configuration. What do you use it for?

kasabali 4y ago
Too much Chrome tabs?

Markoff 4y ago

Why it sucks? They are doing you the service, you just don't realize it. Each new Windows upgrade brings more disadvantages/limitations than advantages. I'm using W10 and I guess that will be my last one, when I installed new OS on other laptop I went for 8.1, if I installed new OS on my main laptop I would probably go for W7 or at worst W8.1, those two were peak Windows, it's all downhill since then.