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>Does anyone even SELL commercial Unix anymore? Apple. And before anyone says yes well but it runs a proprietary application layer so it doesn't count, it als

• mistrial9 4y ago
  edit:lay blame where it ought Rarely have there been such obvious and one-sided manipulation of public source repos on strictly licensed code, as have been published by Apple Inc. It appears that they go out of their way to insult and dismiss any "power" over the code itself, like a steering committee especially, but as simple as an open repo maintainer. There is simply no profit in making current, working source code available in the same way as a published book at a public library is.. and so there is infinite Chutzpah at Apple Inc to say, not our affair. There is no way that current active source code works the way it is supposed to, if you cannot find it, build it, change it and thereby learn it and apply it. Emperor Apple has no clothes here
  • simonh 4y ago
    I'm not "apologisting" anything, it's just a statement of fact. I make no claims about any ethical dimension to Apple's activities, if you dislike their practices I won't argue with you. The question was about commercial Unix, and MacOS is commercial Unix just as much as Solaris, AIX, etc.
    • rvz 4y ago
      > The question was about commercial Unix, and MacOS is commercial Unix just as much as Solaris, AIX, etc. Precisely. For those attempting to deny this, He's right you know. macOS is a commercial and certified Unix and is still sold as part of their Macs. So that is still true to this day.
  • gjsman-1000 4y ago
    Apple has a certified UNIX, macOS. macOS 12 and many earlier versions certified by TOG as a UNIX product along with AIX, HP-UX, and SCO OpenServer. Also, Apple's kernel (XNU) is somewhat open-source. Apple isn't really interested in contributions, but you can build it yourself and install it, and macOS will boot and run from it (the main exception being iOS apps on Apple Silicon, maybe Apple Pay, and FileVault gets disabled to make the modification and inability to fully secure your system obvious, those parts are closed source kernel extensions, but they aren't dealbreakers).
• underdeserver 4y ago
  I believe Apple is based on FreeBSD, not Unix.
  • siver_john 4y ago
    Not to be that guy, but isn't BSD and it's derivatives still Unix derived so parent's comment still holds? (Though to the parent comment I'd argue that OSX isn't really a sold OS either because I can't buy just it)
  • tzs 4y ago
    MacOS is a certified Unix. See [1] [2]. [1] https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3673.htm https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3673.htm [2] https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3678.htm https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3678.htm
    • underdeserver 4y ago
      Interesting. I wasn't aware that Unix is a standard - I thought it was a codebase. Thanks!
  • gjsman-1000 4y ago
    FreeBSD is literally based directly off of AT&T Unix versions 5, 6, and 7 (in varying capacities). AT&T Unix -> BSD -> FreeBSD -> NeXTSTEP -> macOS. (This is overly simplified, as everything is a mess and macOS contains code from both FreeBSD and original BSD which FreeBSD was based on, among other places.) macOS is ironically a more authentic Unix than Linux is, Linux having been a clone while macOS being a great grandchild. Diagram of Unix History: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_his...
    • akagusu 4y ago
      Linux is not Unix and it is not developed to be one.
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• ubermonkey 4y ago
  Ok, fair. I guess what I mean is more "for use in the datacenter."