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if someone can't figure how to put a file on the server, or install package then they shouldn't be in tech or software development.

krastanov 4y ago
No need to gatekeep. We can show a bit more empathy to the teens (or older folks) that are trying this for the first time in their life. Compartmentalization of concerns is an important part of pedagogy.
aftergibson 4y ago
How would anyone learn? I agree when it comes to anything with stakes or deployments to production, but everyone starts somewhere and copy pasting a url from a CDN is one less headache when you’re playing with something totally new.
- deepstack 4y ago
  And that is how we ended with the mess in this article. We are not doing kinder garden here, it is software development. And if one can't grasp idea of files on server (a very basic) then why are you even doing software development? The whole software development process has being watered down to included people who don't really want to do software development. I'm sure if one is passionate about it, they will figure this out.
blowski 4y ago
To my absolute shame, about 15 years ago, I made this comment about a junior dev on my team. That junior dev is now a much better developer than me. We’re all on a journey in our careers. Those of us with more knowledge and experience can and should help those with less, instead of gatekeeping and lecturing.
snowwrestler 4y ago
Many people who can learn, have not yet learned. There is a difference between capability and knowledge. We’re each on a journey.
lelandfe 4y ago
Senior SWE here :) I did not know how to install a package ~10 years ago and doing anything with a server was terrifying. Sure glad I never had someone say this to me.
corobo 4y ago
It'd probably be quicker for you to teach them once or twice than for them to change their entire career. People need to learn things before they can do them, it is what it is. I'd much rather work with someone that just needed to learn a few things I take for granted than someone who decides it's their right to say who's in or out of IT haha. Teach or get out of the way.
mrits 4y ago
People with superiority complexes shouldn't be in tech. Some of us enjoy learning and teaching others.
jaywalk 4y ago
I have specific, distinct memories of some things I did when I was starting out as a developer that are so obviously wrong today. But that's because I've got 15-20 years of experience now that I didn't have back then.

krastanov 4y ago

No need to gatekeep. We can show a bit more empathy to the teens (or older folks) that are trying this for the first time in their life. Compartmentalization of concerns is an important part of pedagogy.

aftergibson 4y ago

How would anyone learn? I agree when it comes to anything with stakes or deployments to production, but everyone starts somewhere and copy pasting a url from a CDN is one less headache when you’re playing with something totally new.

deepstack 4y ago
And that is how we ended with the mess in this article. We are not doing kinder garden here, it is software development. And if one can't grasp idea of files on server (a very basic) then why are you even doing software development? The whole software development process has being watered down to included people who don't really want to do software development. I'm sure if one is passionate about it, they will figure this out.

blowski 4y ago

To my absolute shame, about 15 years ago, I made this comment about a junior dev on my team. That junior dev is now a much better developer than me. We’re all on a journey in our careers. Those of us with more knowledge and experience can and should help those with less, instead of gatekeeping and lecturing.

snowwrestler 4y ago

Many people who can learn, have not yet learned. There is a difference between capability and knowledge. We’re each on a journey.

lelandfe 4y ago

Senior SWE here :) I did not know how to install a package ~10 years ago and doing anything with a server was terrifying. Sure glad I never had someone say this to me.

corobo 4y ago

It'd probably be quicker for you to teach them once or twice than for them to change their entire career. People need to learn things before they can do them, it is what it is. I'd much rather work with someone that just needed to learn a few things I take for granted than someone who decides it's their right to say who's in or out of IT haha. Teach or get out of the way.

mrits 4y ago

People with superiority complexes shouldn't be in tech. Some of us enjoy learning and teaching others.

jaywalk 4y ago

I have specific, distinct memories of some things I did when I was starting out as a developer that are so obviously wrong today. But that's because I've got 15-20 years of experience now that I didn't have back then.