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$1200 for 8gb of ram and 256gb ssd. seems bad value. basically paying premium for a fancy case. been using dell xps win10 for 8 years without any issues. at le

$1200 for 8gb of ram and 256gb ssd. seems bad value. basically paying premium for a fancy case. been using dell xps win10 for 8 years without any issues. at least the UI does not change for no reason ever year, just to sell more hardware.

ianai 4y ago
You just complained about a hardware company releasing new hardware.
- 5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
  no i complained about the poor value. i mean the OS are only changed every year to give people a reason to buy new hardware. there are so many regressions in the OS over the years too. why does the appearance of finder have to change every year... i bought ipad mini to find the OS no longer has a UI zoom feature which was there on the previous iPad OS, just totally deprecated = of course returned it
  - mwint 4y ago
    This is false, the iPad has both zoom-in[0] and increase font size[1]. [0] https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/zoom-ipad9a245e3e/15.0/ipados/15.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/zoom-ipad9a245e3e/15.0/... [1] https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/display-text-size-ipad9a246013/15.0/ipados/15.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/display-text-size-ipad9...
    - 5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
      https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/display-zoom-missing-with-ipad-mini-6.2315071/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/display-zoom-missing-wi...
- social_quotient 4y ago
  I think it’s a software company (apple) making changes to the ui to sell more hardware (apple). In a predictable coordinated fashion. The issue here is apple will always be the bad guy since they are seen doing all of this in a coordinated attempt to sell more stuff. Dell on the other hand only sells more stuff either when the software landscape, that they don’t control, has moved too far for the legacy hardware to keep up. Or they innovated on the hardware and show enough value for you to change hardware independent from software. Dell will almost never be the bad guy here unless they make subpar machines. The XPS and precision laptops are far from subpar. So you get guys like the parent that prefer dell since it seems more natural and not like they are being played.
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- captainbland 4y ago
  To me it just feels like this release isn't very exciting other than the new colour. The new chip sounds fine, but until real world independent benchmarks come out it's probably safest to assume it's an incremental improvement. Otherwise if you're getting a base model then you're not getting a lot more than you would have gotten in 2020 (still 8GB memory which is becoming laughable for such an expensive machine, still 256GB SSD, slightly fancier screen and webcam), and at least by UK pricing you'll be paying 25% more for the privilege.
  - kmlx 4y ago
    > and at least by UK pricing you'll be paying 25% more for the privilege the US prices that apple show on their US website are without sales tax. in the US you pay the sales tax separately from what apple is advertising. in the UK the VAT is baked in.
    - captainbland 4y ago
      I mean that the release price of the M2 MBA including VAT (£1249) is that much higher than the release price of the M1 MBA including VAT (£999 - the same price as it is today on the apple store although in practice you can find them new from £850-ish).
culopatin 4y ago
If you only care about ram and SSD yes, but if you look at the whole package including screen, speakers, build quality and battery life then it’s not that much of a premium. I have a work HP laptop that is more expensive and even though it gives me more storage and more ram, the little fan runs high 80% of the day and unless I’m maxing out the ram every now and then, I don’t see the benefit of the trade off.
npc12345 4y ago
Your xps have 100gbs ram bandwidth? No 10 hours battery life? No Superb handling of fractional ui scaling? No Perfect trackpad? No Single cable charger? (Maybe) no(t) Unix? No
- 5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
  >Your xps have 100gbs ram bandwidth? No but at least the ram is not soldered onto the board and can be upgraded easily. >10 hours battery life? maybe 6 hours but i never used it without a charger, so not an issue. also the battery is user replaceable. >Superb handling of fractional ui scaling? Windows has better UI scaling. I can scale the UI or fonts alone up to 200% in 10% increments. I have visual problem so i can tell you without a shadow of a doubt macos is waaaaay more limited. you have like 4 scaling options only. couple this with the complete lack of contrast or affordance in the latest flatsh*t FisherPriceOS and its a disaster. >Perfect trackpad? I use a mouse. trackpad is good enough, no issues. it does have a 4k touch screen. perfect is a subjective thing. >Single cable charger? (Maybe) no(t) Yes it does >Unix? Can run a VM of any linux distro, dual boot any intel compatible linux distro or windows subsystem for linux. One of the benefits of having more than 8gb of ram and 256gb ssd ;) --- all this plus 1tb SSD 16gb of ram, dedicated gpu, 4k display also you need an apple account to install apps from the appstore, most apps get deprecated every 5 years because apple needs to sell new hardware, complete lack respect for backwards compat, where i can run pretty much any windows app from the last 20 years and sometimes more.
  - gjsman-1000 4y ago
    EDIT: My message was posted when the above comment was only a "yes to all", and before that a borderline snarky response that could've gotten a mod warning for an insult. The above commentator then deceptively added far more to his comment after my response. Actually that is not possible, and if you believe so, you are misled. A top-of-the-line desktop Core i9 can't handle more than 75GB/s memory bandwidth (the Intel memory controller literally can't handle it regardless of how many RAM sticks you have), the M2 can handle over 100GB/s with M1 Ultra over 200GB/s. That is actually unheard of and cannot be matched on a desktop system. (Partially explains why Apple's RAM is so expensive.) Secondly, as for your Unix claim, unless you are running FreeBSD, Linux is not Unix. macOS ironically is a certified, commercial Unix, but Linux is not because it is a Unix clone and not a derivative. I doubt you are running FreeBSD though, because outside servers, hardware support is messy and several years behind. Finally... you might think otherwise, but it is a broadly accepted fact that Windows UI Fractional scaling sucks with certain apps and even built-in apps messing up and looking fuzzy or awkward, which almost never happens on macOS. EDIT 2: The original commentator must have never used a Mac, ever, for this message: "also you need an apple account to install apps from the appstore where i can run pretty much any windows app from the last 20 years and sometimes more." To which I simply say the situation is exactly like the Windows Store on Windows which requires a Microsoft Account but nobody really cares because not many people use either app store. EDIT 3: The original poster deceptively edited my Edit #2 out again without notice. At this point the OP has changed his message over and over to reflect my criticisms and try to put me out of context violating HN rules repeatedly.

ianai 4y ago

You just complained about a hardware company releasing new hardware.

5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
no i complained about the poor value. i mean the OS are only changed every year to give people a reason to buy new hardware. there are so many regressions in the OS over the years too. why does the appearance of finder have to change every year... i bought ipad mini to find the OS no longer has a UI zoom feature which was there on the previous iPad OS, just totally deprecated = of course returned it
- mwint 4y ago
  This is false, the iPad has both zoom-in[0] and increase font size[1]. [0] https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/zoom-ipad9a245e3e/15.0/ipados/15.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/zoom-ipad9a245e3e/15.0/... [1] https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/display-text-size-ipad9a246013/15.0/ipados/15.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/display-text-size-ipad9...
  - 5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/display-zoom-missing-with-ipad-mini-6.2315071/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/display-zoom-missing-wi...
social_quotient 4y ago
I think it’s a software company (apple) making changes to the ui to sell more hardware (apple). In a predictable coordinated fashion. The issue here is apple will always be the bad guy since they are seen doing all of this in a coordinated attempt to sell more stuff. Dell on the other hand only sells more stuff either when the software landscape, that they don’t control, has moved too far for the legacy hardware to keep up. Or they innovated on the hardware and show enough value for you to change hardware independent from software. Dell will almost never be the bad guy here unless they make subpar machines. The XPS and precision laptops are far from subpar. So you get guys like the parent that prefer dell since it seems more natural and not like they are being played.
- deleted 4y ago
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captainbland 4y ago
To me it just feels like this release isn't very exciting other than the new colour. The new chip sounds fine, but until real world independent benchmarks come out it's probably safest to assume it's an incremental improvement. Otherwise if you're getting a base model then you're not getting a lot more than you would have gotten in 2020 (still 8GB memory which is becoming laughable for such an expensive machine, still 256GB SSD, slightly fancier screen and webcam), and at least by UK pricing you'll be paying 25% more for the privilege.
- kmlx 4y ago
  > and at least by UK pricing you'll be paying 25% more for the privilege the US prices that apple show on their US website are without sales tax. in the US you pay the sales tax separately from what apple is advertising. in the UK the VAT is baked in.
  - captainbland 4y ago
    I mean that the release price of the M2 MBA including VAT (£1249) is that much higher than the release price of the M1 MBA including VAT (£999 - the same price as it is today on the apple store although in practice you can find them new from £850-ish).

culopatin 4y ago

If you only care about ram and SSD yes, but if you look at the whole package including screen, speakers, build quality and battery life then it’s not that much of a premium. I have a work HP laptop that is more expensive and even though it gives me more storage and more ram, the little fan runs high 80% of the day and unless I’m maxing out the ram every now and then, I don’t see the benefit of the trade off.

npc12345 4y ago

Your xps have 100gbs ram bandwidth? No 10 hours battery life? No Superb handling of fractional ui scaling? No Perfect trackpad? No Single cable charger? (Maybe) no(t) Unix? No

5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
>Your xps have 100gbs ram bandwidth? No but at least the ram is not soldered onto the board and can be upgraded easily. >10 hours battery life? maybe 6 hours but i never used it without a charger, so not an issue. also the battery is user replaceable. >Superb handling of fractional ui scaling? Windows has better UI scaling. I can scale the UI or fonts alone up to 200% in 10% increments. I have visual problem so i can tell you without a shadow of a doubt macos is waaaaay more limited. you have like 4 scaling options only. couple this with the complete lack of contrast or affordance in the latest flatsh*t FisherPriceOS and its a disaster. >Perfect trackpad? I use a mouse. trackpad is good enough, no issues. it does have a 4k touch screen. perfect is a subjective thing. >Single cable charger? (Maybe) no(t) Yes it does >Unix? Can run a VM of any linux distro, dual boot any intel compatible linux distro or windows subsystem for linux. One of the benefits of having more than 8gb of ram and 256gb ssd ;) --- all this plus 1tb SSD 16gb of ram, dedicated gpu, 4k display also you need an apple account to install apps from the appstore, most apps get deprecated every 5 years because apple needs to sell new hardware, complete lack respect for backwards compat, where i can run pretty much any windows app from the last 20 years and sometimes more.
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  EDIT: My message was posted when the above comment was only a "yes to all", and before that a borderline snarky response that could've gotten a mod warning for an insult. The above commentator then deceptively added far more to his comment after my response. Actually that is not possible, and if you believe so, you are misled. A top-of-the-line desktop Core i9 can't handle more than 75GB/s memory bandwidth (the Intel memory controller literally can't handle it regardless of how many RAM sticks you have), the M2 can handle over 100GB/s with M1 Ultra over 200GB/s. That is actually unheard of and cannot be matched on a desktop system. (Partially explains why Apple's RAM is so expensive.) Secondly, as for your Unix claim, unless you are running FreeBSD, Linux is not Unix. macOS ironically is a certified, commercial Unix, but Linux is not because it is a Unix clone and not a derivative. I doubt you are running FreeBSD though, because outside servers, hardware support is messy and several years behind. Finally... you might think otherwise, but it is a broadly accepted fact that Windows UI Fractional scaling sucks with certain apps and even built-in apps messing up and looking fuzzy or awkward, which almost never happens on macOS. EDIT 2: The original commentator must have never used a Mac, ever, for this message: "also you need an apple account to install apps from the appstore where i can run pretty much any windows app from the last 20 years and sometimes more." To which I simply say the situation is exactly like the Windows Store on Windows which requires a Microsoft Account but nobody really cares because not many people use either app store. EDIT 3: The original poster deceptively edited my Edit #2 out again without notice. At this point the OP has changed his message over and over to reflect my criticisms and try to put me out of context violating HN rules repeatedly.