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We could still pay for public transport on the country side too.

rad_gruchalski 4y ago
I live in the countryside and I’m going to be completely honest: I take a car any time a day. Public transport doesn’t go where I usually go to.
- freemint 4y ago
  By paying for public transport i mean paying for transport, maybe a some app ordered transporters which can fit a family and stuff.
  - mantas 4y ago
    So that transport would do be basically a family car with a lot of junk kilometers?
  - 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
    It costs 20€ just to get a Taxi go come out here, and the total cost of taking a taxi to the closest bus stop is about 40€. Sure, if the weather is nice, I can ride a bike to the same bus stop and get some exersize at the same time, but that'll get a bit problematic during winter. I don't expect society to spend hundreds of millions on making public transport available to the 30% of the Finnish population who live outside urban areas. It will, however, take more than a decade before EV's are viable alternatives to everyone living in the countryside; the power grid needs extensive renovations, power production needs to get away from fossil fuels and the EV's themselves need to be both capable and cheap enough for people to afford them. I can buy 20 year-old car in working order for about 600€ today if I want to. Even cheaper if I don't care about electric windows. I know people who would barely be able to afford such a purchase if their current car broke down. None of them will be able to afford a used EV anytime soon, and I suspect, not in '25 either. That being said, EV's is a good thing. We need synthetic petrol and diesel until they're able to fill all needs currently filled by ICE cars, though. We're going to need it for farming and forestry equipment and the like anyway, so we might aswell get that ball rolling.
    - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
      > It costs 20€ just to get a Taxi go come out here, and the total cost of taking a taxi to the closest bus stop is about 40€. What is unrealistic to me is your expectation to live in a remote area but still get easy access to other areas. Why don't you try to live closer to your job, or work closer to your home? I don't understand why I should also pay (breathing your pollution is paying for me) for your desire to live away from a city. If it's your choice, you should pay the full cost of it.
      - 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
        I work remotely and have been doing so since I moved here. I'm not expecting anyone to pay for me either, I make more than enough to cover the expenses for my family. However, as I said, there's plenty of others who aren't as fortunate. Most of those I know, are born out here, work in agriculture, and don't see why they should keep producing cheap food for city-dwellers, when all they do is try to limit their ability to keep the production going. And I assure you; urban areas in Europe will not want to be depending on food imports this fall. Again, as I mentioned, synthetic fuels are the way to go until electrification is done. While food occasionally does grow on trees, harvesting is almost completely dependent on fossil fuels. The power grid is being upgraded, albeit slowly (and believe me: we're paying a lot for the work). The forestry industrycan't run without diesel. Electrifying everything will take time. If we want it done faster we need synthetic fuels. Preferably yesterday.
        pastacacioepepe 4y ago
        I honestly think solutions like electric or synthetic fuels are a delusion. The only way to get out of this situation is to accept the fact that we developed in a totally unsustainable way in the past decades, thanks to private transportation. We will have to step back and give up some of our most recently acquired habits, I'm entirely sure of that. The question is, will we wait until it's too late to do it?
        2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
  - iso1631 4y ago
    Certainly a car club of some sort in the village replacing the 100 or so cars normally here with say 80 rental cars could be beneficial, not sure it would save much environmentally though, especially given that most vehicles passing are either vans or tractors
- mantas 4y ago
  And public transport, if it'd be any good, would be next-to-empty on many runs. Lots of wear & tear and energy consumption. A bus is much more expensive to maintain and uses much more energy than a car.
  - deleted 4y ago
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I live in the countryside and I’m going to be completely honest: I take a car any time a day. Public transport doesn’t go where I usually go to.

freemint 4y ago
By paying for public transport i mean paying for transport, maybe a some app ordered transporters which can fit a family and stuff.
- mantas 4y ago
  So that transport would do be basically a family car with a lot of junk kilometers?
- 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
  It costs 20€ just to get a Taxi go come out here, and the total cost of taking a taxi to the closest bus stop is about 40€. Sure, if the weather is nice, I can ride a bike to the same bus stop and get some exersize at the same time, but that'll get a bit problematic during winter. I don't expect society to spend hundreds of millions on making public transport available to the 30% of the Finnish population who live outside urban areas. It will, however, take more than a decade before EV's are viable alternatives to everyone living in the countryside; the power grid needs extensive renovations, power production needs to get away from fossil fuels and the EV's themselves need to be both capable and cheap enough for people to afford them. I can buy 20 year-old car in working order for about 600€ today if I want to. Even cheaper if I don't care about electric windows. I know people who would barely be able to afford such a purchase if their current car broke down. None of them will be able to afford a used EV anytime soon, and I suspect, not in '25 either. That being said, EV's is a good thing. We need synthetic petrol and diesel until they're able to fill all needs currently filled by ICE cars, though. We're going to need it for farming and forestry equipment and the like anyway, so we might aswell get that ball rolling.
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    > It costs 20€ just to get a Taxi go come out here, and the total cost of taking a taxi to the closest bus stop is about 40€. What is unrealistic to me is your expectation to live in a remote area but still get easy access to other areas. Why don't you try to live closer to your job, or work closer to your home? I don't understand why I should also pay (breathing your pollution is paying for me) for your desire to live away from a city. If it's your choice, you should pay the full cost of it.
    - 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
      I work remotely and have been doing so since I moved here. I'm not expecting anyone to pay for me either, I make more than enough to cover the expenses for my family. However, as I said, there's plenty of others who aren't as fortunate. Most of those I know, are born out here, work in agriculture, and don't see why they should keep producing cheap food for city-dwellers, when all they do is try to limit their ability to keep the production going. And I assure you; urban areas in Europe will not want to be depending on food imports this fall. Again, as I mentioned, synthetic fuels are the way to go until electrification is done. While food occasionally does grow on trees, harvesting is almost completely dependent on fossil fuels. The power grid is being upgraded, albeit slowly (and believe me: we're paying a lot for the work). The forestry industrycan't run without diesel. Electrifying everything will take time. If we want it done faster we need synthetic fuels. Preferably yesterday.
      - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
        I honestly think solutions like electric or synthetic fuels are a delusion. The only way to get out of this situation is to accept the fact that we developed in a totally unsustainable way in the past decades, thanks to private transportation. We will have to step back and give up some of our most recently acquired habits, I'm entirely sure of that. The question is, will we wait until it's too late to do it?
        2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
- iso1631 4y ago
  Certainly a car club of some sort in the village replacing the 100 or so cars normally here with say 80 rental cars could be beneficial, not sure it would save much environmentally though, especially given that most vehicles passing are either vans or tractors
mantas 4y ago
And public transport, if it'd be any good, would be next-to-empty on many runs. Lots of wear & tear and energy consumption. A bus is much more expensive to maintain and uses much more energy than a car.
- deleted 4y ago
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