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> Deluge still hasn't had an official Windows release for 2.x, and it's been that way since 2019. This is GPL software made by people in their free time, for f

> Deluge still hasn't had an official Windows release for 2.x, and it's been that way since 2019. This is GPL software made by people in their free time, for free. Apparently, the intersection of "people who want a Windows release", "people who have the skill to do it" and "people who want to do it for free" is empty. If you belong to all 3 groups, then please go ahead and provide a Windows release. If you don't then I'm not sure what you are complaining about. That nobody is providing something to you for free that you need?

unethical_ban 4y ago
It's nice to get the old slashdot vibe of "it's open source, any complaint is invalid, learn programming and GUIs and fix it yourself".
- wildmanx 4y ago
  I'm not saying it's an invalid complaint. But it's not particularly helpful or meaningful. It's not like the maintainers are not aware of the issue. It's just that they've so far had other priorities in life. To keep complaining won't change that. (Well, maybe it will, but that would actually be pretty sad.) It's a different story when some issue is brought up the very first time because somebody wasn't aware who would like to be aware and also willing to do something about it. But to just keep complaining beyond a certain point is just a waste of energy. (Especially for an issue that clearly many people don't care about, including users.) P.S.: I'm not sure why you need to "learn GUIs" for this. This is clearly an issue in the server part of the client/server model that Deluge has. Which is a very nice design choice, if you ask me. Not just for users, but also for developers -- you don't need to have any clue about GUIs to fiddle with the network-related part of the program. EDIT: Sorry, confused this with the parallel subthread about the proxy issue. Yes, for a Windows port you may need to know some GUI aspects.
enlyth 4y ago
And because it's someone's free time project that doesn't bother to make releases for the most popular computing platform on Earth, it is somehow immune from criticism? Everything OP said is correct.
- wildmanx 4y ago
  Sure it's correct. It's raining outside right now and I don't like it. That's also a correct statement. Just because it comes from the sky doesn't make it "somehow immune from criticism". But that's not a very meaningful complaint. I can complain about the rain all day. Will it change anything? No. In contrast to the rain, some feature missing in some open source project can be fixed. Put your energy into complaining or into fixing. Your choice. In a proprietary system, your only option is to complain. Sadly, it's common to see this mentality for open source projects too.
  - enlyth 4y ago
    "I don't like A because the authors don't care about my platform I prefer B" Suddenly five thousand voices of open source zealots appear from nowhere, writing paragraphs and paragraphs about how it is morally outrageous to even suggest any sort of shortcoming, and you should immediately drop everything you're doing and contribute to the codebase yourself. I know I'm getting a little flamebaity for HN standards, but this is what it genuinely feels like to me.
    - wildmanx 4y ago
      > Suddenly five thousand voices of open source zealots appear from nowhere The image that presented itself to me was: An article about an open source project was linked and the two top HN comments were 1. complaints that proxy use doesn't work for 10 years and 2. complaints that there is no official Windows port. Now, who is the one complaining here? The "open source zealots"? I find it legitimate to respond to such complaints by pointing out the nature of the criticized project.
- forgotpwd16 4y ago
  >most popular computing platform on Earth I think Deluge runs on MINIX just fine. /jk Just saying Windows is nowhere the most popular computing platform although it's the most popular laptop/desktop OS.
ChrisRR 4y ago
Commenting does not necessarily equal complaining. They're simply saying that it doesn't have a windows release and so they use a different client. As for their comment on why, I agree. This doesn't link to any news.
forgotpwd16 4y ago
>then please go ahead and provide a Windows release People do provide unofficial Windows builds in the forums.
- notRobot 4y ago
  TIL, thank you!
m-p-3 4y ago
It is indeed free, and so those the competition out there, like Transmission and qBittorrent. Sure they won't lose any money, but they'll lose their userbase and the potential interest of contributors if they don't make any progress. It's a vicious circle.

unethical_ban 4y ago

It's nice to get the old slashdot vibe of "it's open source, any complaint is invalid, learn programming and GUIs and fix it yourself".

wildmanx 4y ago
I'm not saying it's an invalid complaint. But it's not particularly helpful or meaningful. It's not like the maintainers are not aware of the issue. It's just that they've so far had other priorities in life. To keep complaining won't change that. (Well, maybe it will, but that would actually be pretty sad.) It's a different story when some issue is brought up the very first time because somebody wasn't aware who would like to be aware and also willing to do something about it. But to just keep complaining beyond a certain point is just a waste of energy. (Especially for an issue that clearly many people don't care about, including users.) P.S.: I'm not sure why you need to "learn GUIs" for this. This is clearly an issue in the server part of the client/server model that Deluge has. Which is a very nice design choice, if you ask me. Not just for users, but also for developers -- you don't need to have any clue about GUIs to fiddle with the network-related part of the program. EDIT: Sorry, confused this with the parallel subthread about the proxy issue. Yes, for a Windows port you may need to know some GUI aspects.

enlyth 4y ago

And because it's someone's free time project that doesn't bother to make releases for the most popular computing platform on Earth, it is somehow immune from criticism? Everything OP said is correct.

wildmanx 4y ago
Sure it's correct. It's raining outside right now and I don't like it. That's also a correct statement. Just because it comes from the sky doesn't make it "somehow immune from criticism". But that's not a very meaningful complaint. I can complain about the rain all day. Will it change anything? No. In contrast to the rain, some feature missing in some open source project can be fixed. Put your energy into complaining or into fixing. Your choice. In a proprietary system, your only option is to complain. Sadly, it's common to see this mentality for open source projects too.
- enlyth 4y ago
  "I don't like A because the authors don't care about my platform I prefer B" Suddenly five thousand voices of open source zealots appear from nowhere, writing paragraphs and paragraphs about how it is morally outrageous to even suggest any sort of shortcoming, and you should immediately drop everything you're doing and contribute to the codebase yourself. I know I'm getting a little flamebaity for HN standards, but this is what it genuinely feels like to me.
  - wildmanx 4y ago
    > Suddenly five thousand voices of open source zealots appear from nowhere The image that presented itself to me was: An article about an open source project was linked and the two top HN comments were 1. complaints that proxy use doesn't work for 10 years and 2. complaints that there is no official Windows port. Now, who is the one complaining here? The "open source zealots"? I find it legitimate to respond to such complaints by pointing out the nature of the criticized project.
forgotpwd16 4y ago
>most popular computing platform on Earth I think Deluge runs on MINIX just fine. /jk Just saying Windows is nowhere the most popular computing platform although it's the most popular laptop/desktop OS.

ChrisRR 4y ago

Commenting does not necessarily equal complaining. They're simply saying that it doesn't have a windows release and so they use a different client. As for their comment on why, I agree. This doesn't link to any news.

forgotpwd16 4y ago

>then please go ahead and provide a Windows release People do provide unofficial Windows builds in the forums.

notRobot 4y ago
TIL, thank you!

m-p-3 4y ago

It is indeed free, and so those the competition out there, like Transmission and qBittorrent. Sure they won't lose any money, but they'll lose their userbase and the potential interest of contributors if they don't make any progress. It's a vicious circle.