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> all Hacker News posts and comments are available on BigQuery and can be queried for free Good thing there aren’t any laws that regulate copyright or privacy,

by tobr 4y ago

> all Hacker News posts and comments are available on BigQuery and can be queried for free Good thing there aren’t any laws that regulate copyright or privacy, so datasets like this can be published without asking users for consent.

skrebbel 4y ago
Anybody could crawl HN and build up the exact same dataset. You choose to publish your words for the world to consume when you submit a comment.
- tobr 4y ago
  It’s not less illegal because anyone could do it. I have copyright to my comments, and many of them can be considered personal data, especially if they are connected to my username. My rights are not waived because I publish something publicly.
  - dereg 4y ago
    Puzzling comment. Perhaps you should read the Terms of Service. User Content Transmitted Through the Site: With respect to the content or other materials you upload through the Site or share with other users or recipients (collectively, “User Content”), you represent and warrant that you own all right, title and interest in and to such User Content, including, without limitation, all copyrights and rights of publicity contained therein. By uploading any User Content you hereby grant and will grant Y Combinator and its affiliated companies a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty free, fully paid up, transferable, sublicensable, perpetual, irrevocable license to copy, display, upload, perform, distribute, store, modify and otherwise use your User Content for any Y Combinator-related purpose in any form, medium or technology now known or later developed. However, please review the Applications Privacy Policy located at https://www.ycombinator.com/apply/privacy, for more information on how we treat information included in applications submitted to us. https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/ https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/
    - tobr 4y ago
      There are so many problems with that with regard to GDPR. It’s not even linked from the signup page, so I’ve never even been informed about it. I’ve never been given the option to consent or reject consent to anything. You also can’t just say it’s “irrevocable” and pretend like GDPR doesn’t apply.
      - madeofpalk 4y ago
        How is not posting it publicly consenting to it being available publically?
        froh 4y ago
        Yes. It's simply concludent. If you post on a public website you consent it can be crawled. Duh.
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      - Jerrrry 4y ago
        >GDPR yeah, you may wanna check your maps - youre a little too far from home.
        tobr 4y ago
        What is that supposed to mean? My map tells me I’m in the European Union, which means GDPR applies.
        froh 4y ago
        Which problem exactly do you have with a summary statistic on anonymous data you consciously and deliberately contribute to? The HN is pseudonymized, more anonymous than the kernel git. So what's next? Prohibiting git clone on the kernel git? Because someone could do summary statistics there?
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tobr 4y ago
I hope the downvotes are for the sarcasm, not the point expressed. But considering other threads about this have been flagged[1] I guess this topic is taboo. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20052076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20052076
- badcppdev 4y ago
  I think many people have the opinion that GDPR 'should not' apply outside the European region (or other countries that have enacted GDPR legislation). A common sense approach would be to say that if someone in Europe chooses to submit their details to an entity based outside of Europe then that's just their choice to waive their rights to their data. Lawyers and legislators might make arguments and talk about analogous laws and situations but that simple doesn't convince a lot of people. Hence you will get downvotes for saying something so common is illegal. (As a side-note it's interesting that you personally choose to submit your copyrighted comments to HN given your knowledge of how you're losing effective control of your information.)
  - confidantlake 4y ago
    So all companies can just have a shell company outside Europe.
  - tobr 4y ago
    It is illegal, whether people wish it wasn’t or think it’s sensible or downvote comments that point it out. Personally I think the gist of GDPR is more sensible than what you’re proposing as common sense - each person should have the right to decide what happens to data about them.
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by tobr 4y ago

skrebbel 4y ago

Anybody could crawl HN and build up the exact same dataset. You choose to publish your words for the world to consume when you submit a comment.

tobr 4y ago
It’s not less illegal because anyone could do it. I have copyright to my comments, and many of them can be considered personal data, especially if they are connected to my username. My rights are not waived because I publish something publicly.
- dereg 4y ago
  Puzzling comment. Perhaps you should read the Terms of Service. User Content Transmitted Through the Site: With respect to the content or other materials you upload through the Site or share with other users or recipients (collectively, “User Content”), you represent and warrant that you own all right, title and interest in and to such User Content, including, without limitation, all copyrights and rights of publicity contained therein. By uploading any User Content you hereby grant and will grant Y Combinator and its affiliated companies a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty free, fully paid up, transferable, sublicensable, perpetual, irrevocable license to copy, display, upload, perform, distribute, store, modify and otherwise use your User Content for any Y Combinator-related purpose in any form, medium or technology now known or later developed. However, please review the Applications Privacy Policy located at https://www.ycombinator.com/apply/privacy, for more information on how we treat information included in applications submitted to us. https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/ https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/
  - tobr 4y ago
    There are so many problems with that with regard to GDPR. It’s not even linked from the signup page, so I’ve never even been informed about it. I’ve never been given the option to consent or reject consent to anything. You also can’t just say it’s “irrevocable” and pretend like GDPR doesn’t apply.
    - madeofpalk 4y ago
      How is not posting it publicly consenting to it being available publically?
      - froh 4y ago
        Yes. It's simply concludent. If you post on a public website you consent it can be crawled. Duh.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - Jerrrry 4y ago
      >GDPR yeah, you may wanna check your maps - youre a little too far from home.
      - tobr 4y ago
        What is that supposed to mean? My map tells me I’m in the European Union, which means GDPR applies.
        froh 4y ago
        Which problem exactly do you have with a summary statistic on anonymous data you consciously and deliberately contribute to? The HN is pseudonymized, more anonymous than the kernel git. So what's next? Prohibiting git clone on the kernel git? Because someone could do summary statistics there?
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tobr 4y ago

I hope the downvotes are for the sarcasm, not the point expressed. But considering other threads about this have been flagged[1] I guess this topic is taboo. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20052076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20052076

badcppdev 4y ago
I think many people have the opinion that GDPR 'should not' apply outside the European region (or other countries that have enacted GDPR legislation). A common sense approach would be to say that if someone in Europe chooses to submit their details to an entity based outside of Europe then that's just their choice to waive their rights to their data. Lawyers and legislators might make arguments and talk about analogous laws and situations but that simple doesn't convince a lot of people. Hence you will get downvotes for saying something so common is illegal. (As a side-note it's interesting that you personally choose to submit your copyrighted comments to HN given your knowledge of how you're losing effective control of your information.)
- confidantlake 4y ago
  So all companies can just have a shell company outside Europe.
- tobr 4y ago
  It is illegal, whether people wish it wasn’t or think it’s sensible or downvote comments that point it out. Personally I think the gist of GDPR is more sensible than what you’re proposing as common sense - each person should have the right to decide what happens to data about them.
  - deleted 4y ago
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