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> It's such a selfish mentality What kind of man would want their money taken from them to provide a gift to others? There is a big difference between selfish

> It's such a selfish mentality What kind of man would want their money taken from them to provide a gift to others? There is a big difference between selfishness and self-respect.

shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
How much money will be taken from an individual tax payer for student loan forgiveness?
- SamReidHughes 4y ago
  It doesn't matter. How can you think so little of yourself? Corruption, and that's what this is, a money transfer to Democrats' constituency, should be opposed even if it's a small amount.
  - shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
    The entire government runs off subsidizing various parts of society that it deems important. Is that all corruption?
  - Jcowell 4y ago
    Do only democrats go to college and have debt?
    - j_walter 4y ago
      No, but there is far greater share of democrats that are college graduates (especially the younger ones) and those in the trades are a greater share of republicans. Not only...but certainly more of them.
- bushbaba 4y ago
  If loan forgiveness becomes a common trend it will be used as justification to raise taxes. Personally, as a tax-payer. The money I provide is not well spent and there's plenty of bloat. I'd prefer to not pay more in taxes and for the government to cost optimize its budget.
  - viraptor 4y ago
    Yeah, imagine that, if only this became like an annual thing where taxes pay for universities, US could remove the middle man of the loan companies and join many other countries with a reasonable cost higher education!
  - shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
    Not all loans can be forgiven like federal student loans. So I don't understand how this would become "a common trend"? How much would your individual taxes increase if student loans are forgiven?
- dmitrygr 4y ago
  46 million Americans have student debt, 148 million are tax payers. if you want to forgive 10k for each borrower, that is 3.1K from each taxpayer, assuming zero overhead (LOL), if you want to forgive 50k/debtor, 15.5k per taxpayer, again assuming zero overhead (still LOL)
  - shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
    Surprisingly taxes don't work this way. The federal government can simply write this debt off by paying itself. It doesn't have to literally collect the dollars from tax payers.
viraptor 4y ago
waves I don't hold the extreme position here of giving everything away and there's still a thing about how any such funds are spent... But with that out of the way - Where my money improves the society, I'm happy to give it. I donate, and with some exceptions I'm very happy to pay taxes. (then again I'm not in the US) If people both helped the current students and prevented the issue from raising again, then that sounds great to me. (i.e. if we don't just funnel the money to the companies that will continue and expect another bailout) I guess I'm a kind of a man that wants everyone to succeed, and not be artificially held back by a bad system.

> It's such a selfish mentality What kind of man would want their money taken from them to provide a gift to others? There is a big difference between selfishness and self-respect.

shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago

How much money will be taken from an individual tax payer for student loan forgiveness?

SamReidHughes 4y ago
It doesn't matter. How can you think so little of yourself? Corruption, and that's what this is, a money transfer to Democrats' constituency, should be opposed even if it's a small amount.
- shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
  The entire government runs off subsidizing various parts of society that it deems important. Is that all corruption?
- Jcowell 4y ago
  Do only democrats go to college and have debt?
  - j_walter 4y ago
    No, but there is far greater share of democrats that are college graduates (especially the younger ones) and those in the trades are a greater share of republicans. Not only...but certainly more of them.
bushbaba 4y ago
If loan forgiveness becomes a common trend it will be used as justification to raise taxes. Personally, as a tax-payer. The money I provide is not well spent and there's plenty of bloat. I'd prefer to not pay more in taxes and for the government to cost optimize its budget.
- viraptor 4y ago
  Yeah, imagine that, if only this became like an annual thing where taxes pay for universities, US could remove the middle man of the loan companies and join many other countries with a reasonable cost higher education!
- shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
  Not all loans can be forgiven like federal student loans. So I don't understand how this would become "a common trend"? How much would your individual taxes increase if student loans are forgiven?
dmitrygr 4y ago
46 million Americans have student debt, 148 million are tax payers. if you want to forgive 10k for each borrower, that is 3.1K from each taxpayer, assuming zero overhead (LOL), if you want to forgive 50k/debtor, 15.5k per taxpayer, again assuming zero overhead (still LOL)
- shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
  Surprisingly taxes don't work this way. The federal government can simply write this debt off by paying itself. It doesn't have to literally collect the dollars from tax payers.

viraptor 4y ago

waves I don't hold the extreme position here of giving everything away and there's still a thing about how any such funds are spent... But with that out of the way - Where my money improves the society, I'm happy to give it. I donate, and with some exceptions I'm very happy to pay taxes. (then again I'm not in the US) If people both helped the current students and prevented the issue from raising again, then that sounds great to me. (i.e. if we don't just funnel the money to the companies that will continue and expect another bailout) I guess I'm a kind of a man that wants everyone to succeed, and not be artificially held back by a bad system.