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As a Catalan... that's standard behaviour for Spain since more than 300 years. No surprises there. If the Colombians don't give the treasure willingly the Span

As a Catalan... that's standard behaviour for Spain since more than 300 years. No surprises there. If the Colombians don't give the treasure willingly the Spanish will start calling them tight arses.

nsbk 4y ago
How is "As a Catalan..." relevant in this context?
- AlotOfReading 4y ago
  The costs of putting down catalonian rebellions were one of the major fiscal issues of the 17th century Spanish Empire and a substantial portion of the gold on this ship would have gone towards the war of Spanish Succession, which itself resulted in the Nueva Planta Decrees that contributed to modern Catalan nationalism. It's certainly not irrelevant here, plus you know... centuries of conflict with Spain.
  - TexasBall 4y ago
    I've always thought the Spanish succession war involved Spain, France, Great Britain, Netherlands and Germany[1]. Today I learnt it was about a catalonian rebellion. [1]https://militarymaps.rct.uk/war-of-the-spanish-succession-1701-14#:~:text=The%20war%20was%20fought%20between,support%20of%20Philip%20of%20Anjou https://militarymaps.rct.uk/war-of-the-spanish-succession-17....
    - happy_path 4y ago
      However, Catalonia was not a kingdom but a region inside the Kingdom of Aragon, like Valencia, for example.
    - AlotOfReading 4y ago
      The "Catalonian rebellion" I was mentioned was the Reaper's War, which was hugely expensive for Spain and the payments for which involved what would become a long series of currency devaluations. The war of Spanish Succession was between the countries you mentioned, as well as Catalonia as a part of both Spain and France. One important event in that war was the formation of an army of Habsburg loyalists by Catalonia to dispute the treaties of Utrecht. This in turn led to the Nueva Planta decrees and the end of Catalonia as an autonomous principality within Spain. If you have any more questions about imperial Spain (particularly the colonies) or you'd like me to go into more depth, feel free to ask. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reapers%27_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reapers%27_War
- elnatro 4y ago
  It is not. Catalonia is one of the richest regions on Spain nowadays.
happy_path 4y ago
Allow me to be a bit "blunt" and controversial here: Catalonia based their economy in slavery[1][2][3][4]. Are Catalans going to make reparations to the descendents of those slaves? Sadly, what is in the past cannot be undone. We can help poor and needed people, though. And we should be doing that, independently of their ancestors. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/apr/13/barcelona-slave-trade-history-new-walking-tour-catalonia-spain-ramblas https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/apr/13/barcelona-sla... [2] https://www.lavanguardia.com/cultura/20200622/481890711216/antonio-lopez-george-floyd-guell-esclavitud-catalunya-cuba-negreros-artur-mas.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/cultura/20200622/481890711216/a... [3] https://aldianews.com/culture/heritage-and-history/very-profitous-business https://aldianews.com/culture/heritage-and-history/very-prof... [4] https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-latin-america-48476378 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-latin-america-48476378

As a Catalan... that's standard behaviour for Spain since more than 300 years. No surprises there. If the Colombians don't give the treasure willingly the Spanish will start calling them tight arses.

nsbk 4y ago

How is "As a Catalan..." relevant in this context?

AlotOfReading 4y ago
The costs of putting down catalonian rebellions were one of the major fiscal issues of the 17th century Spanish Empire and a substantial portion of the gold on this ship would have gone towards the war of Spanish Succession, which itself resulted in the Nueva Planta Decrees that contributed to modern Catalan nationalism. It's certainly not irrelevant here, plus you know... centuries of conflict with Spain.
- TexasBall 4y ago
  I've always thought the Spanish succession war involved Spain, France, Great Britain, Netherlands and Germany[1]. Today I learnt it was about a catalonian rebellion. [1]https://militarymaps.rct.uk/war-of-the-spanish-succession-1701-14#:~:text=The%20war%20was%20fought%20between,support%20of%20Philip%20of%20Anjou https://militarymaps.rct.uk/war-of-the-spanish-succession-17....
  - happy_path 4y ago
    However, Catalonia was not a kingdom but a region inside the Kingdom of Aragon, like Valencia, for example.
  - AlotOfReading 4y ago
    The "Catalonian rebellion" I was mentioned was the Reaper's War, which was hugely expensive for Spain and the payments for which involved what would become a long series of currency devaluations. The war of Spanish Succession was between the countries you mentioned, as well as Catalonia as a part of both Spain and France. One important event in that war was the formation of an army of Habsburg loyalists by Catalonia to dispute the treaties of Utrecht. This in turn led to the Nueva Planta decrees and the end of Catalonia as an autonomous principality within Spain. If you have any more questions about imperial Spain (particularly the colonies) or you'd like me to go into more depth, feel free to ask. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reapers%27_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reapers%27_War
elnatro 4y ago
It is not. Catalonia is one of the richest regions on Spain nowadays.

happy_path 4y ago

Allow me to be a bit "blunt" and controversial here: Catalonia based their economy in slavery[1][2][3][4]. Are Catalans going to make reparations to the descendents of those slaves? Sadly, what is in the past cannot be undone. We can help poor and needed people, though. And we should be doing that, independently of their ancestors. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/apr/13/barcelona-slave-trade-history-new-walking-tour-catalonia-spain-ramblas https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/apr/13/barcelona-sla... [2] https://www.lavanguardia.com/cultura/20200622/481890711216/antonio-lopez-george-floyd-guell-esclavitud-catalunya-cuba-negreros-artur-mas.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/cultura/20200622/481890711216/a... [3] https://aldianews.com/culture/heritage-and-history/very-profitous-business https://aldianews.com/culture/heritage-and-history/very-prof... [4] https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-latin-america-48476378 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-latin-america-48476378