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I'm sorry but you lost me at "pro-vaccine propaganda". Where's the characterisation of all the obvious disinformation spreading on social media (and rage-maximi

I'm sorry but you lost me at "pro-vaccine propaganda". Where's the characterisation of all the obvious disinformation spreading on social media (and rage-maximising MSM) as "anti-vaccine propaganda"? You're implying bad faith on the part of those spreading a pro-vaccine message and are making it their fault for "not embracing" or making "them" "comfortable". The problem with that is how can I embrace someone who believes that vaccines cause autism? How can I make someone "comfortable" when they can't see their own cognitive dissonance for seeing their doctors as shills for big pharma on one hand (vaccines), but will happily listen to and take their advice when it comes to, say, broken bones. Do we need to do a better job of educating people about the fact that medicine, and "science" itself is not process of distinguishing black from white. Reality is imperfect and complexity is progressively discovered. Do we forego the imperfect now waiting for a perfect understanding of something? What happened to the Pareto principle, risk management approaches, and opportunity cost? I find it hard to feel like "embracing" people who take a mistake as evidence of conspiracy. Don't the voices pushing the anti-vax disinfo bullshit carry some responsibility for polarising people's views and turning opinions against medical authorities? Or are they absolved of responsibility?

landemva 4y ago
>> seeing their doctors as shills for big pharma on one hand (vaccines), but will ... take their advice when it comes to ... broken bones. Coronavirus mRNA human experiments are totally different than a broken bone. Like comparing a matchbox car with launching a Tesla car into space.
- phs318u 4y ago
  Would you take the advice or medical specialists for a brain tumour? Or epilepsy? Or an immune system disorder? Where do you draw the line? And what makes you qualified to judge?
blub 4y ago
There were legitimate concerns around the new vaccine technologies from the beginning and those have proven correct - the trials missed both the AstraZeneca clotting and the mRNA heart inflammation. Those effects were then constantly downplayed in mass media as they became known and the people drawing attention to them were ridiculed on social media. I’ve had many discussions about the AZ vaccine on HN, having to link to the EMA report which was clearly showing that depending on age for some people the risk of death from Covid was similar to the risk of death from the AZ vaccine. On reddit I was shadow-banned after 1 single message mentioning the EMA report as a reply to someone claiming that AZ was perfectly safe and people were being paranoid. The mRNA heart inflammation was similarly dismissed both in the press and online even as many European countries were stopping use of Moderna for young people. Besides the two big ones, mRNA vaccines often cause lymph node swelling - which is painful and especially for women might be alarming as lumps are associated with breast cancer. My partner had this, with strong pain radiating in the chest and was so worried they had to go to the hospital to have it checked out. Nobody told us about this or other potential side effects. The so-called doctor which gave me my booster couldn’t even speak the local language properly. Finally there’s the fact that the vaccines put many people out of commission for several days. You see, there’s no need to talk about autism or 5G signals, because there’s enough real issues to be discussed. The problem is that many don’t want to have those discussions and would rather stick their head in the sand and pretend that vaccines are perfect and a universal cure.
- phs318u 4y ago
  Could you please provide a reference to the EMA report you’re referring to. I assume EMA stands for European Medicines Agency. If so, the numbers of side effects or adverse reactions listed on this page are not alarming to me. https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/safety-covid-19-vaccines https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/publi...

landemva 4y ago

>> seeing their doctors as shills for big pharma on one hand (vaccines), but will ... take their advice when it comes to ... broken bones. Coronavirus mRNA human experiments are totally different than a broken bone. Like comparing a matchbox car with launching a Tesla car into space.

phs318u 4y ago
Would you take the advice or medical specialists for a brain tumour? Or epilepsy? Or an immune system disorder? Where do you draw the line? And what makes you qualified to judge?

blub 4y ago

There were legitimate concerns around the new vaccine technologies from the beginning and those have proven correct - the trials missed both the AstraZeneca clotting and the mRNA heart inflammation. Those effects were then constantly downplayed in mass media as they became known and the people drawing attention to them were ridiculed on social media. I’ve had many discussions about the AZ vaccine on HN, having to link to the EMA report which was clearly showing that depending on age for some people the risk of death from Covid was similar to the risk of death from the AZ vaccine. On reddit I was shadow-banned after 1 single message mentioning the EMA report as a reply to someone claiming that AZ was perfectly safe and people were being paranoid. The mRNA heart inflammation was similarly dismissed both in the press and online even as many European countries were stopping use of Moderna for young people. Besides the two big ones, mRNA vaccines often cause lymph node swelling - which is painful and especially for women might be alarming as lumps are associated with breast cancer. My partner had this, with strong pain radiating in the chest and was so worried they had to go to the hospital to have it checked out. Nobody told us about this or other potential side effects. The so-called doctor which gave me my booster couldn’t even speak the local language properly. Finally there’s the fact that the vaccines put many people out of commission for several days. You see, there’s no need to talk about autism or 5G signals, because there’s enough real issues to be discussed. The problem is that many don’t want to have those discussions and would rather stick their head in the sand and pretend that vaccines are perfect and a universal cure.

phs318u 4y ago
Could you please provide a reference to the EMA report you’re referring to. I assume EMA stands for European Medicines Agency. If so, the numbers of side effects or adverse reactions listed on this page are not alarming to me. https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/safety-covid-19-vaccines https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/publi...