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> spectrum Does this mean we’ll soon get a range picker when we sign up for iCloud?

by wonderbore 4y ago

ASalazarMX 4y ago
- arcticbull 4y ago
  You know bisexual isn't the same thing as a hermaphrodite right?
  - ASalazarMX 4y ago
    We're talking about choice of gender, not sex. Sexes are male and female, and to be fair, hermaphrodite should be a third option. Gender can be any random combination of man and woman. People confounding sex and gender has caused a great deal of rhetoric. You can't choose your sex, that's in your DNA, but you can choose your gender.
    - stephenr 4y ago
      And "bisexual" is neither a gender nor a sex.
      - ASalazarMX 4y ago
        go on.
        deleted 4y ago
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        arcticbull 4y ago
        weakfish 4y ago
        Bisexual is sexuality, not gender. Since you asked. It’s not super complicated and they’re completely different things. A bisexual person likes both men and women. That has nothing to do with gender of the person who is bisexual.
    - fenter 4y ago
      That is just one definition of gender. There's confusion over its usage because it has a number of different and conflicting meanings. In her book Material Girls, which thoroughly and thoughtfully explores this topic, Kathleen Stock describes four senses of the word: > GENDER1: A polite-sounding word for the division between men and women, understood as a traditional alternative word for biological sex / the division between biological males and females. > GENDER2: A word for social stereotypes, expectations and norms of 'masculinity' and 'femininity', originally directed towards biological males and females respectively. These can and do differ from culture to culture, though there are many overlaps too. > GENDER3: A word for the division between men and women, understood, by definition, as a division between two sets of people: those who have the social role of masculinity projected onto them, and those who have the social role of femininity projected onto them. > GENDER4: A shortened version of the term 'gender identity'. [A] common idea is that it is the 'private experience of gender role' - roughly, whether you relate to yourself psychologically as a boy or man, girl or women, or neither, in a way that has nothing directly to do with your sex. Up until recently, the colloquial sense was GENDER1. Now this is shifting partly towards GENDER4, amongst some but certainly not all English speakers. When you refer to people "confounding sex and gender", I expect you're simply observing the conflict between different people understanding the term as GENDER1 or GENDER4.

> spectrum Does this mean we’ll soon get a range picker when we sign up for iCloud?

ASalazarMX 4y ago

arcticbull 4y ago
You know bisexual isn't the same thing as a hermaphrodite right?
- ASalazarMX 4y ago
  We're talking about choice of gender, not sex. Sexes are male and female, and to be fair, hermaphrodite should be a third option. Gender can be any random combination of man and woman. People confounding sex and gender has caused a great deal of rhetoric. You can't choose your sex, that's in your DNA, but you can choose your gender.
  - stephenr 4y ago
    And "bisexual" is neither a gender nor a sex.
    - ASalazarMX 4y ago
      go on.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - arcticbull 4y ago
      - weakfish 4y ago
        Bisexual is sexuality, not gender. Since you asked. It’s not super complicated and they’re completely different things. A bisexual person likes both men and women. That has nothing to do with gender of the person who is bisexual.
  - fenter 4y ago
    That is just one definition of gender. There's confusion over its usage because it has a number of different and conflicting meanings. In her book Material Girls, which thoroughly and thoughtfully explores this topic, Kathleen Stock describes four senses of the word: > GENDER1: A polite-sounding word for the division between men and women, understood as a traditional alternative word for biological sex / the division between biological males and females. > GENDER2: A word for social stereotypes, expectations and norms of 'masculinity' and 'femininity', originally directed towards biological males and females respectively. These can and do differ from culture to culture, though there are many overlaps too. > GENDER3: A word for the division between men and women, understood, by definition, as a division between two sets of people: those who have the social role of masculinity projected onto them, and those who have the social role of femininity projected onto them. > GENDER4: A shortened version of the term 'gender identity'. [A] common idea is that it is the 'private experience of gender role' - roughly, whether you relate to yourself psychologically as a boy or man, girl or women, or neither, in a way that has nothing directly to do with your sex. Up until recently, the colloquial sense was GENDER1. Now this is shifting partly towards GENDER4, amongst some but certainly not all English speakers. When you refer to people "confounding sex and gender", I expect you're simply observing the conflict between different people understanding the term as GENDER1 or GENDER4.