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Voter id laws have been shown to increase voter turn out in the United States. Most states give free IDs for voting. It is a federal law that you must show an I

Voter id laws have been shown to increase voter turn out in the United States. Most states give free IDs for voting. It is a federal law that you must show an ID to register. Stop with this misinformed nonsense that there is a crazy conspiracy to keep "brown" people from voting. Maybe once yes but not for awhile.

Izkata 4y ago
Related, this funny/sad video from 6 years ago about actually asking black people about getting IDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGmKHrWKMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGmKHrWKMQ (4 minutes long) Summary: They pretty much all responded "whoever thinks we don't have / can't get IDs is ignorant and probably a bit racist".
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Just like white people are authoritative about other white people, if we ask black people for the truth they must be right. Or, you know, not. - 13% of Blacks, 10% of Hispanics, but only 5 percent of Whites lack photographic identification. - 12% of adults living in a household with less than $25,000 annual income lack photo ID, compared to just 2 percent in households with over $150,000 annual income. - 15 percent of 17-20 year olds lack photo ID, and 11 percent of those ages 21-24 lack photo ID. So yeah, ID requirements are not a half bad way to skew election results in your favor. And consider for a moment just how strong an advantage Republicans have in the house of representatives these days compared to how weak their actual number of represented voters is. All the little efforts absolutely add up to real results.
  - crabbycrab 4y ago
    How many of those 12-15% are actually unable to get an ID as opposed to "can't be bothered/don't need it"? An ID requirement would get some of those to get one - if they wanted to vote. And how does the voter turnout look for those groups anyway? The only people who might be impacted negatively by ID requirement are those unable (for whatever reason? Why can't there be an easy way to get an ID in the first place?) and actually wanting to vote.
    - Izkata 4y ago
      I don't know about those groups specifically, but overall turnout is typically around 60% for presidential elections and 40% for midterm elections, for every election since at least 2000. http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout-data http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout...
  - philwelch 4y ago
    Photo ID is required in the United States in order to work (Form I-9), obtain housing, drive a car, buy alcohol or tobacco, enter age-restricted venues, purchase firearms, drive a car, go through airport security, and in general, to participate in society. And one of the things I’ve listed is an enumerated constitutional right. So I don’t think it’s an unreasonable requirement for voting. Someone who doesn’t participate in society to such a degree that they already don’t need ID is probably unlikely to be voting in the first place, and it’s somewhat dubious IMO to bend over backwards to specifically court such voters.
    - MomoXenosaga 4y ago
      Yep only what 60% of Americans vote? I have a hard time believing any of the meth addicted homeless really care all that much about who's running for mayor. I think almost every person interested in elections is someone with enough money to get an ID every 5 years. But hell give out a subsidy for the poor to get an ID card for free.

Izkata 4y ago

Related, this funny/sad video from 6 years ago about actually asking black people about getting IDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGmKHrWKMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGmKHrWKMQ (4 minutes long) Summary: They pretty much all responded "whoever thinks we don't have / can't get IDs is ignorant and probably a bit racist".

rootusrootus 4y ago
Just like white people are authoritative about other white people, if we ask black people for the truth they must be right. Or, you know, not. - 13% of Blacks, 10% of Hispanics, but only 5 percent of Whites lack photographic identification. - 12% of adults living in a household with less than $25,000 annual income lack photo ID, compared to just 2 percent in households with over $150,000 annual income. - 15 percent of 17-20 year olds lack photo ID, and 11 percent of those ages 21-24 lack photo ID. So yeah, ID requirements are not a half bad way to skew election results in your favor. And consider for a moment just how strong an advantage Republicans have in the house of representatives these days compared to how weak their actual number of represented voters is. All the little efforts absolutely add up to real results.
- crabbycrab 4y ago
  How many of those 12-15% are actually unable to get an ID as opposed to "can't be bothered/don't need it"? An ID requirement would get some of those to get one - if they wanted to vote. And how does the voter turnout look for those groups anyway? The only people who might be impacted negatively by ID requirement are those unable (for whatever reason? Why can't there be an easy way to get an ID in the first place?) and actually wanting to vote.
  - Izkata 4y ago
    I don't know about those groups specifically, but overall turnout is typically around 60% for presidential elections and 40% for midterm elections, for every election since at least 2000. http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout-data http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout...
- philwelch 4y ago
  Photo ID is required in the United States in order to work (Form I-9), obtain housing, drive a car, buy alcohol or tobacco, enter age-restricted venues, purchase firearms, drive a car, go through airport security, and in general, to participate in society. And one of the things I’ve listed is an enumerated constitutional right. So I don’t think it’s an unreasonable requirement for voting. Someone who doesn’t participate in society to such a degree that they already don’t need ID is probably unlikely to be voting in the first place, and it’s somewhat dubious IMO to bend over backwards to specifically court such voters.
  - MomoXenosaga 4y ago
    Yep only what 60% of Americans vote? I have a hard time believing any of the meth addicted homeless really care all that much about who's running for mayor. I think almost every person interested in elections is someone with enough money to get an ID every 5 years. But hell give out a subsidy for the poor to get an ID card for free.