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Assuming your a member of a union Before election Union boss: "we expect everyone to vote for candidate X" After election Union boss: "show me your vote rec

Assuming your a member of a union Before election Union boss: "we expect everyone to vote for candidate X" After election Union boss: "show me your vote receipt"

vxNsr 4y ago
The receipt is kept with the machine. I’ve never been anywhere where they give you proof of who YOU voted for.
- fn-mote 4y ago
  I don't know the scheme used, but _you_ also need to be able to verify that the vote was counted correctly in this situation. So make sure you read the receipt. It's better than what we have. Vote-changing can be uncovered by an audit. ... But I still prefer the coercion-resistant systems that let you verify your own vote was counted correctly after the fact. Someone else posted a link to a bunch of papers.
  - JoBrad 4y ago
    As several people have commented, many systems print the receipt, which you then hand in to be counted. That’s the way my state does it, too. So you can see who your vote is being cast for.
  - WWLink 4y ago
    In CA when you vote, there's a tracking mechanism you can use to see your vote was counted. A few years back I remember the ballots had a receipt you could tear off and use to verify it online later. What would be cool is if you combined that serial number with a hash generated by filling in the ballot after the fact. Eg you go to a page, supply your serial number and the things you voted for, and it tells you if it was counted and matches what you're saying. Of course, this could still be used that way... but in CA ballots usually have enough options that it would be difficult for a malicious actor to have that much intent haha. Most people would probably forget which smaller issues they voted for though.... so I dunno if it'd be reliable.
blackguardx 4y ago
This is a weird caricature of how a union works. Unions protect workers from being fired by their employers so I’m not sure what a union “boss” could do to someone who upset them.
- rayiner 4y ago
  No, it’s an accurate representation of how many unions operated in the mid 20th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa
  - boomboomsubban 4y ago
    Searching "vot" brings up one hit on that page, about a union election. Searching "elect" has several hits, none of which have to do with fraud. What part of that Wikipedia page shows unions operating like that?
    - IncRnd 4y ago
      That's not a page on union voting practices but on Jimmy Hoffa, the well known union boss who was also a well known criminal.
      - boomboomsubban 4y ago
        So "it's an accurate representation of how many unions acted, and to prove my point here's a biography of a criminal with union ties." I don't see how that's proving their point.
        IncRnd 4y ago
        > So "it's an accurate representation of how many unions acted, and to prove my point here's a biography of a criminal with union ties." I don't see how that's proving their point. Since you are asking me, If you read or scan the page you will see how unions historically operated in the US.
wrycoder 4y ago
It would be really bad if the voter got to keep the receipt, or even had the chance to image it.
kahnclusions 4y ago
This is such a bad example that strikes me as contrived just to take a dig at unions. Why not replace: /Union boss/Employer/, it still works.

Assuming your a member of a union Before election Union boss: "we expect everyone to vote for candidate X" After election Union boss: "show me your vote receipt"

vxNsr 4y ago

The receipt is kept with the machine. I’ve never been anywhere where they give you proof of who YOU voted for.

fn-mote 4y ago
I don't know the scheme used, but _you_ also need to be able to verify that the vote was counted correctly in this situation. So make sure you read the receipt. It's better than what we have. Vote-changing can be uncovered by an audit. ... But I still prefer the coercion-resistant systems that let you verify your own vote was counted correctly after the fact. Someone else posted a link to a bunch of papers.
- JoBrad 4y ago
  As several people have commented, many systems print the receipt, which you then hand in to be counted. That’s the way my state does it, too. So you can see who your vote is being cast for.
- WWLink 4y ago
  In CA when you vote, there's a tracking mechanism you can use to see your vote was counted. A few years back I remember the ballots had a receipt you could tear off and use to verify it online later. What would be cool is if you combined that serial number with a hash generated by filling in the ballot after the fact. Eg you go to a page, supply your serial number and the things you voted for, and it tells you if it was counted and matches what you're saying. Of course, this could still be used that way... but in CA ballots usually have enough options that it would be difficult for a malicious actor to have that much intent haha. Most people would probably forget which smaller issues they voted for though.... so I dunno if it'd be reliable.

blackguardx 4y ago

This is a weird caricature of how a union works. Unions protect workers from being fired by their employers so I’m not sure what a union “boss” could do to someone who upset them.

rayiner 4y ago
No, it’s an accurate representation of how many unions operated in the mid 20th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa
- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  Searching "vot" brings up one hit on that page, about a union election. Searching "elect" has several hits, none of which have to do with fraud. What part of that Wikipedia page shows unions operating like that?
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    That's not a page on union voting practices but on Jimmy Hoffa, the well known union boss who was also a well known criminal.
    - boomboomsubban 4y ago
      So "it's an accurate representation of how many unions acted, and to prove my point here's a biography of a criminal with union ties." I don't see how that's proving their point.
      - IncRnd 4y ago
        > So "it's an accurate representation of how many unions acted, and to prove my point here's a biography of a criminal with union ties." I don't see how that's proving their point. Since you are asking me, If you read or scan the page you will see how unions historically operated in the US.

wrycoder 4y ago

It would be really bad if the voter got to keep the receipt, or even had the chance to image it.

kahnclusions 4y ago

This is such a bad example that strikes me as contrived just to take a dig at unions. Why not replace: /Union boss/Employer/, it still works.