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Are you saying ballots were separated then transported to be counted? I don’t know of anywhere where that happens. In Detroit there were allegations that ballot

Are you saying ballots were separated then transported to be counted? I don’t know of anywhere where that happens. In Detroit there were allegations that ballots were ‘left unattended under a table’ which amounted to actually meaning ‘most of the employees left a secure facility which was videotaped the entire time and live streamed’. Trump actual gained votes in Democratic Wayne County. I read all of the allegations of fraud filed in Michigan and they were, to put it politely, drivel. There were also a number of reports on the integrity of the election, many legitimate audits (including in Antrim county). Did you read them? Did you look for them? Or are you trying to undermine something by feigning concern and sowing doubt? Edit: also it is useful to remember that the 2020 presidential election wasn’t close. Nothing like 2000. Neither in total votes, electoral votes, or the margin in any of the marginal electoral-vote supplying states.

jbritton 4y ago
I don’t claim fraud, but I do have procedural concerns. I’m of the understanding that ballots stripped from their envelopes were transported to counting centers. Perhaps bribing one driver would be sufficient to swap 1000s of ballots and there would be no trail. I find the following from https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/05/gateway-pundit/video-does-not-provide-evidence-election-fraud-det/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/05/gateway-pu... “”” Only after ballots were validated were they delivered to the TCF Center for election workers to process and tabulate them. Shane Trejo, a writer for the right-wing website Big League Politics, told the Gateway Pundit that he was at the TCF Center where he said he witnessed thousands of ballots being unloaded early Wednesday morning. "There were at least 50 boxes that I saw unloaded at 3:30 a.m.“”” It’s my understanding that the validating process results in the naked ballots being placed into boxes for delivery to a counting center. The linked article debunks that the ballots were late, but that is not my concern. I was going to write more about Georgia but then I came across this article which eliminated most of my concerns there. I don’t know why it took a whole year before this was printed though. https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/investigators-locate-no-evidence-of-fulton-county-ballot-fraud-in-2020-election-01634164815 https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/investigators-locate-n... I did see some of the audits, which mostly removed my concerns of cheating. However there were claims in Georgia of mail in ballots that appeared marked by computer and I knew there was going to be a court case on this, but I never saw any reporting on this case. The above article says there were never any such perfect ballots found. I think the perfect ballot is where my fears come from. Where in the chain could you swap out ballots and put in generated ballots.
- dpierce9 4y ago
  So after expressing your concerns and asking a bunch of questions with easy to find answers that address most of your concerns, you still have those concerns? Where does it say that ballots were stripped before delivery? Do you have evidence of that? The politifact piece says the signatures were validated then they were taken for processing. Signatures are on the outside of the envelope. That isn’t delivering naked ballots. Stripping the envelope happened at the processing center based on the videos of them describing the process [0], videos of them carrying out the process which were live-streamed and still available, and the State’s published documents describing the process. Everyone is concerned that voting is done well. Your concern seems to move between ‘specific things which didn’t happen’ and ‘hypothetical perfectionism’ which is an unmeetable standard. Edit, added video link: [0] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/05/michigan-done-counting-ballots-what-happens-next/6171642002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/...
  - jbritton 4y ago
    I did find this describing the procedures for transporting ballot boxes. So this link resolves my fear that transport security wasn’t addressed. https://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/vc/vcf/vcf02/mobile_browsing https://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/vc/vcf/vcf02/mobile_bro... I appreciate your response, it has made me question my thought process.

jbritton 4y ago

I don’t claim fraud, but I do have procedural concerns. I’m of the understanding that ballots stripped from their envelopes were transported to counting centers. Perhaps bribing one driver would be sufficient to swap 1000s of ballots and there would be no trail. I find the following from https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/05/gateway-pundit/video-does-not-provide-evidence-election-fraud-det/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/05/gateway-pu... “”” Only after ballots were validated were they delivered to the TCF Center for election workers to process and tabulate them. Shane Trejo, a writer for the right-wing website Big League Politics, told the Gateway Pundit that he was at the TCF Center where he said he witnessed thousands of ballots being unloaded early Wednesday morning. "There were at least 50 boxes that I saw unloaded at 3:30 a.m.“”” It’s my understanding that the validating process results in the naked ballots being placed into boxes for delivery to a counting center. The linked article debunks that the ballots were late, but that is not my concern. I was going to write more about Georgia but then I came across this article which eliminated most of my concerns there. I don’t know why it took a whole year before this was printed though. https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/investigators-locate-no-evidence-of-fulton-county-ballot-fraud-in-2020-election-01634164815 https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/investigators-locate-n... I did see some of the audits, which mostly removed my concerns of cheating. However there were claims in Georgia of mail in ballots that appeared marked by computer and I knew there was going to be a court case on this, but I never saw any reporting on this case. The above article says there were never any such perfect ballots found. I think the perfect ballot is where my fears come from. Where in the chain could you swap out ballots and put in generated ballots.

dpierce9 4y ago
So after expressing your concerns and asking a bunch of questions with easy to find answers that address most of your concerns, you still have those concerns? Where does it say that ballots were stripped before delivery? Do you have evidence of that? The politifact piece says the signatures were validated then they were taken for processing. Signatures are on the outside of the envelope. That isn’t delivering naked ballots. Stripping the envelope happened at the processing center based on the videos of them describing the process [0], videos of them carrying out the process which were live-streamed and still available, and the State’s published documents describing the process. Everyone is concerned that voting is done well. Your concern seems to move between ‘specific things which didn’t happen’ and ‘hypothetical perfectionism’ which is an unmeetable standard. Edit, added video link: [0] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/05/michigan-done-counting-ballots-what-happens-next/6171642002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/...
- jbritton 4y ago
  I did find this describing the procedures for transporting ballot boxes. So this link resolves my fear that transport security wasn’t addressed. https://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/vc/vcf/vcf02/mobile_browsing https://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/vc/vcf/vcf02/mobile_bro... I appreciate your response, it has made me question my thought process.