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Are we moving towards a tablet-laptop hybrid Apple device in the next few years I wonder? (similar to MS Surface).. I know there's the issue of cannibalisation

Are we moving towards a tablet-laptop hybrid Apple device in the next few years I wonder? (similar to MS Surface).. I know there's the issue of cannibalisation but I think such a device could be awesome (but hard to do right)

rad_gruchalski 4y ago
As long as it comes with 16” screen and can run kubernetes, I’m okay with that.
bombcar 4y ago
It’s been obviously on the radar for years but it’s moving very slowly - the macbook is now arguably a iPad with a keyboard now so the main thing left is the software unification.
RajT88 4y ago
I will not be happy until my Surface Book 2 is a pile of slag. But it might be the best effort yet of unifying mobile device and desktop experiences. The industry just needs to keep trying is all. Eventually someone is going to get it right. It's anyone's game, and all the major players thus far have fucked it up multiple times.
threeseed 4y ago
This comes up every year and people still don't listen to the original justification for why Apple used iOS instead of OSX given they had a choice. OSX is designed for a keyboard and mouse. iOS is designed for a finger. They have wildly different semantics e.g. precision, gestures that you can't abstract without ending up with a horribly compromised experience e.g. Windows tablet mode. And that's just not in Apple's DNA.
- imiric 4y ago
  > OSX is designed for a keyboard and mouse. iOS is designed for a finger. That line has been becoming blurrier for years now. iPadOS supports keyboard and mouse inputs, and the UI is moving closer to replicating a desktop experience on every release. macOS has supported touch gestures for a long time, and the UI is moving closer to resembling a mobile experience. It's not hard to imagine full convergence of both OSs and the devices that run them. As usual, Apple can claim to be the innovator in this change, even though competitors have been doing it, admittedly worse, much earlier.
- kaba0 4y ago
  iOS is a much more modern OS with secure basis. Keyboard and mouse vs touch is mostly just a “userspace” decision, but from Apple’s point of view, OSX has quite a bit of technical debt in several areas that are possibly impossible to fix, like security.
FranksTV 4y ago
I mean the new iPad supports a trackpad and windowed displays, so I think we're already there.

rad_gruchalski 4y ago

As long as it comes with 16” screen and can run kubernetes, I’m okay with that.

bombcar 4y ago

It’s been obviously on the radar for years but it’s moving very slowly - the macbook is now arguably a iPad with a keyboard now so the main thing left is the software unification.

RajT88 4y ago

I will not be happy until my Surface Book 2 is a pile of slag. But it might be the best effort yet of unifying mobile device and desktop experiences. The industry just needs to keep trying is all. Eventually someone is going to get it right. It's anyone's game, and all the major players thus far have fucked it up multiple times.

threeseed 4y ago

This comes up every year and people still don't listen to the original justification for why Apple used iOS instead of OSX given they had a choice. OSX is designed for a keyboard and mouse. iOS is designed for a finger. They have wildly different semantics e.g. precision, gestures that you can't abstract without ending up with a horribly compromised experience e.g. Windows tablet mode. And that's just not in Apple's DNA.

imiric 4y ago
> OSX is designed for a keyboard and mouse. iOS is designed for a finger. That line has been becoming blurrier for years now. iPadOS supports keyboard and mouse inputs, and the UI is moving closer to replicating a desktop experience on every release. macOS has supported touch gestures for a long time, and the UI is moving closer to resembling a mobile experience. It's not hard to imagine full convergence of both OSs and the devices that run them. As usual, Apple can claim to be the innovator in this change, even though competitors have been doing it, admittedly worse, much earlier.
kaba0 4y ago
iOS is a much more modern OS with secure basis. Keyboard and mouse vs touch is mostly just a “userspace” decision, but from Apple’s point of view, OSX has quite a bit of technical debt in several areas that are possibly impossible to fix, like security.

FranksTV 4y ago

I mean the new iPad supports a trackpad and windowed displays, so I think we're already there.