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> It's extremily frustrating how little thought many dev teams give to the idea that users won't always have super fast internet available. We need to fix thos

by lucumo 4y ago

> It's extremily frustrating how little thought many dev teams give to the idea that users won't always have super fast internet available. We need to fix those places. Not permanently anchor the rest of the world to a decade ago.

rurp 4y ago
I do think that cities should all have high quality internet available but the notion that every inch of the glode should have high speed internet, and software should be developed to that baseline, I totally disagree with. For one, it's extremely fragile. There's only so much redundency that can be built into this infrastructure and I'd rather not see society completely grind to a halt because internet got knocked out. Secondly, I don't even want to be connected to high speed internet every second of my life. Some people in tech find this hard to believe, but there are benefits to unplugging at times that many people appreciate. Lastly, I shudder to think what privacy would look like in this world. Not having any escape from surveillance would lead to a grim society.
- lucumo 4y ago
  > Secondly, I don't even want to be connected to high speed internet every second of my life. Then don't. Disconnect your device. The rest of us shouldn't do without something because you don't like it.
LAC-Tech 4y ago
I don't get this response at all. I'm in a team developing software for people in areas with rubbish internet. It's a bit above my pay grade to fix infrastructure problems in foreign lands. It's probably more cost effective to let the software deal with it gracefully. And in my case.. the infrastructure was fine, but a sheep literally chewed through it. Do we ban sheep? Granted he should have been better fence... but the point is shit happens and help out in the country can take weeks to materialize.
- xwolfi 4y ago
  It depends, most problems are above your paygrade but we can still state they should be fixed. But you guys agree anyway: but handling "gracefully" slow speeds you dont anchor the fast and still provide to the slow. The keyword is gracefully.
Beltalowda 4y ago
You cannot simply say "it should be different" and then pretend that reality is what you think it should be. And yes, we probably should be doing that. But in the meanwhile those places still exist, and will continue to exist for quite some time.
- lucumo 4y ago
  > You cannot simply say "it should be different" and then pretend that reality is what you think it should be. I was responding to a similar attitude. We can pretend caring about shit internet is important for software makers. Sometimes it is. Usually it isn't. Simply saying "it should be different" and then pretending that it is, is equally silly. We are firmly in "wishing for a better world" territory. Others wish that other people cater to their shitty connections. I feel that that would anchor us to shitty connections, so I wish for fewer shitty connections. It's all pipedreams anyway.

by lucumo 4y ago

rurp 4y ago

I do think that cities should all have high quality internet available but the notion that every inch of the glode should have high speed internet, and software should be developed to that baseline, I totally disagree with. For one, it's extremely fragile. There's only so much redundency that can be built into this infrastructure and I'd rather not see society completely grind to a halt because internet got knocked out. Secondly, I don't even want to be connected to high speed internet every second of my life. Some people in tech find this hard to believe, but there are benefits to unplugging at times that many people appreciate. Lastly, I shudder to think what privacy would look like in this world. Not having any escape from surveillance would lead to a grim society.

lucumo 4y ago
> Secondly, I don't even want to be connected to high speed internet every second of my life. Then don't. Disconnect your device. The rest of us shouldn't do without something because you don't like it.

LAC-Tech 4y ago

I don't get this response at all. I'm in a team developing software for people in areas with rubbish internet. It's a bit above my pay grade to fix infrastructure problems in foreign lands. It's probably more cost effective to let the software deal with it gracefully. And in my case.. the infrastructure was fine, but a sheep literally chewed through it. Do we ban sheep? Granted he should have been better fence... but the point is shit happens and help out in the country can take weeks to materialize.

xwolfi 4y ago
It depends, most problems are above your paygrade but we can still state they should be fixed. But you guys agree anyway: but handling "gracefully" slow speeds you dont anchor the fast and still provide to the slow. The keyword is gracefully.

Beltalowda 4y ago

You cannot simply say "it should be different" and then pretend that reality is what you think it should be. And yes, we probably should be doing that. But in the meanwhile those places still exist, and will continue to exist for quite some time.

lucumo 4y ago
> You cannot simply say "it should be different" and then pretend that reality is what you think it should be. I was responding to a similar attitude. We can pretend caring about shit internet is important for software makers. Sometimes it is. Usually it isn't. Simply saying "it should be different" and then pretending that it is, is equally silly. We are firmly in "wishing for a better world" territory. Others wish that other people cater to their shitty connections. I feel that that would anchor us to shitty connections, so I wish for fewer shitty connections. It's all pipedreams anyway.