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Is it possible that the solutions in other countries are not optimal?

LAC-Tech 4y ago
No, every other country outside the US is the best at everything. That's why every American is desperate to make a better life for themselves in the EU, Australia, New Zealand and Canada while the reverse almost never happens.
- girvo 4y ago
  You’re right, the reverse, ie “every Australian (etc)” wanting to make a better life for themselves in the US does never happen. You can’t start your topic broad “every American” and then use the much less broad amount of immigrants to “prove” your point. Because “every American” means I can’t bring up the non-zero amount of Americans that do emigrate elsewhere. Your entire argument is in bad faith.
  - claytongulick 4y ago
    Bad faith? Seemed like a tongue-in-cheek quip to demonstrate that there are a lot more folks in the world who are trying to come to the U.S. than the opposite, which as far as I know is pretty true.
- solar-ice 4y ago
  "According to a Gallup poll from January 2019, 16% of Americans, including 40% of women under the age of 30, would like to leave the United States." In my experience of talking to said Americans, that many can't is largely a case of restrictive immigration policies in most places Americans would like to move to.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    “ Though relatively average by global standards, the 16% of Americans overall who said in 2017 and again in 2018 that they would like to permanently move to another country -- if they could -- is higher than the average levels during either the George W. Bush (11%) or Barack Obama administration (10%).” So usually America has lower than average citizens wanting to emigrate. Trump made Trump haters want to leave, bringing it up to global averages. That’s a significant jump, but being globally average does not fit the narrative you’re trying to portray.
  - upsidesinclude 4y ago
    Citing 'college girls want to go abroad' is not particularly convincing
KptMarchewa 4y ago
There's no optimal in policy. We're all humans. Hoverer, US is weirdly stuck in local maximums in a lot of places.
girvo 4y ago
It’s possible. But it’s certainly more likely that if every other developed western country agrees on how we should approach those topics, and the US disagrees, that the US is the one who’s wrong here. But there’s no way to really know either way, can’t really do blind testing of this can we!
- kortilla 4y ago
  > But it’s certainly more likely that if every other developed western country agrees on how we should approach those topics That’s a bullshit statement though because countries don’t agree on how they should approach those topics. The healthcare in Canada vs UK vs Germany is starkly different. Canadians even come to the US for elective procedures. Gun access is also vastly different between Switzerland, Canada, and the UK. In the UK you can’t even bring a baseball bat to a park.
  - girvo 4y ago
    And yet they are all a lot closer to one another than they are to the US wrt. healthcare approach and gun access. The US's much more laissez-faire free-market approach to healthcare and gun control is a difference of kind, not of degree, compared to say Canada and Australia.

No, every other country outside the US is the best at everything. That's why every American is desperate to make a better life for themselves in the EU, Australia, New Zealand and Canada while the reverse almost never happens.

girvo 4y ago
You’re right, the reverse, ie “every Australian (etc)” wanting to make a better life for themselves in the US does never happen. You can’t start your topic broad “every American” and then use the much less broad amount of immigrants to “prove” your point. Because “every American” means I can’t bring up the non-zero amount of Americans that do emigrate elsewhere. Your entire argument is in bad faith.
- claytongulick 4y ago
  Bad faith? Seemed like a tongue-in-cheek quip to demonstrate that there are a lot more folks in the world who are trying to come to the U.S. than the opposite, which as far as I know is pretty true.
solar-ice 4y ago
"According to a Gallup poll from January 2019, 16% of Americans, including 40% of women under the age of 30, would like to leave the United States." In my experience of talking to said Americans, that many can't is largely a case of restrictive immigration policies in most places Americans would like to move to.
- kortilla 4y ago
  “ Though relatively average by global standards, the 16% of Americans overall who said in 2017 and again in 2018 that they would like to permanently move to another country -- if they could -- is higher than the average levels during either the George W. Bush (11%) or Barack Obama administration (10%).” So usually America has lower than average citizens wanting to emigrate. Trump made Trump haters want to leave, bringing it up to global averages. That’s a significant jump, but being globally average does not fit the narrative you’re trying to portray.
- upsidesinclude 4y ago
  Citing 'college girls want to go abroad' is not particularly convincing

KptMarchewa 4y ago

There's no optimal in policy. We're all humans. Hoverer, US is weirdly stuck in local maximums in a lot of places.

girvo 4y ago

It’s possible. But it’s certainly more likely that if every other developed western country agrees on how we should approach those topics, and the US disagrees, that the US is the one who’s wrong here. But there’s no way to really know either way, can’t really do blind testing of this can we!

kortilla 4y ago
> But it’s certainly more likely that if every other developed western country agrees on how we should approach those topics That’s a bullshit statement though because countries don’t agree on how they should approach those topics. The healthcare in Canada vs UK vs Germany is starkly different. Canadians even come to the US for elective procedures. Gun access is also vastly different between Switzerland, Canada, and the UK. In the UK you can’t even bring a baseball bat to a park.
- girvo 4y ago
  And yet they are all a lot closer to one another than they are to the US wrt. healthcare approach and gun access. The US's much more laissez-faire free-market approach to healthcare and gun control is a difference of kind, not of degree, compared to say Canada and Australia.