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"Mission-critical tools should be hyper-responsive." Did not seem to be important with the worlds slowest dev-tool ever, Atom. ;) "Real-time collaboration prod

"Mission-critical tools should be hyper-responsive." Did not seem to be important with the worlds slowest dev-tool ever, Atom. ;) "Real-time collaboration produces better software." At design level, ok. Programming is in most cases not a co-op operation. If it is, then you are probably creating solutions while writing code which is the best guarantee for bad solutions. “Conversations should happen close to code.” Agree to some degree, this is a big flaw with GIT. It is also a flaw with many programming langs and tools. Even if I use collaboration features in VS and VSC many langs are simply not designed for presenting code to people not highly familiar with the specific code base. So, an editor may not solve the problem here. “Your editor should disappear.” I mainly code in VS and what I can do in VS in 10 mins takes me a couple of hours in VSC. A tool should aim to be the default of a problem. The amount of time I have seen wasted over the years with people trying to master VIM or git from a prompt is just ridiculous.

ghshephard 4y ago
I don't use Visual Studio, so I'm intrigued as to what VS can do in 10 minutes that takes 2+ hours in VSC?
- LocalPCGuy 4y ago
  One example could be scaffolding out a CRUD app and DB fairly quickly. Even excluding scaffolding, VS can eliminate a lot of the boilerplate that takes time if you need to type it out yourself. Not saying you can't setup VSC to do those kinds of things also, but VS is a tools included solution out of the box. (I say this as someone who hasn't touched VS in a few years now, but used it daily for a few years before that, and who generally enjoys using good/fast text editors.)
  - merlinran 4y ago
    I would argue that boilerplates should be minimized in the first place. Regardless how fast it is to generate them, reading them over and over again together with the code human write is a huge waste of energy.
    - LocalPCGuy 4y ago
      I would point out that there are places where having boilerplates is a significant time savings. I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out the practical application sometimes outweighs the cons.
  - towaway15463 4y ago
    So a generator tool is built in instead of installed via a package manager? Doesn’t sound like a big advantage, you still have to know that those tools are there and learn how to use them so you’re only saving the amount of time it takes to run npm i —global yo once. Same thing with snippets and emmet and a myriad of other shortcuts. Having a huge selection to choose from gives the advantage to VSCode in my book.
    - LocalPCGuy 4y ago
      Just a single advantage, I should allow others that use VS more regularly than I. VS also has all of the same types of things you mention as advantages for VSCode as well. I'm not advocating for people using it necessarily, just saying it is a really high quality IDE if you need or want to use an IDE.

ghshephard 4y ago

I don't use Visual Studio, so I'm intrigued as to what VS can do in 10 minutes that takes 2+ hours in VSC?

LocalPCGuy 4y ago
One example could be scaffolding out a CRUD app and DB fairly quickly. Even excluding scaffolding, VS can eliminate a lot of the boilerplate that takes time if you need to type it out yourself. Not saying you can't setup VSC to do those kinds of things also, but VS is a tools included solution out of the box. (I say this as someone who hasn't touched VS in a few years now, but used it daily for a few years before that, and who generally enjoys using good/fast text editors.)
- merlinran 4y ago
  I would argue that boilerplates should be minimized in the first place. Regardless how fast it is to generate them, reading them over and over again together with the code human write is a huge waste of energy.
  - LocalPCGuy 4y ago
    I would point out that there are places where having boilerplates is a significant time savings. I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out the practical application sometimes outweighs the cons.
- towaway15463 4y ago
  So a generator tool is built in instead of installed via a package manager? Doesn’t sound like a big advantage, you still have to know that those tools are there and learn how to use them so you’re only saving the amount of time it takes to run npm i —global yo once. Same thing with snippets and emmet and a myriad of other shortcuts. Having a huge selection to choose from gives the advantage to VSCode in my book.
  - LocalPCGuy 4y ago
    Just a single advantage, I should allow others that use VS more regularly than I. VS also has all of the same types of things you mention as advantages for VSCode as well. I'm not advocating for people using it necessarily, just saying it is a really high quality IDE if you need or want to use an IDE.